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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:23 pm

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Geneviev wrote:What is unacceptable, that people are upset about this?


it just wouldn't make sense for a character based on northern European legends to be non-white

It also doesn't make sense for Aschenputtel to be called Cinderella in English. :p
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:23 pm

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Bluelight-R006 wrote:Ariel’s actor [actress] is a black-coloured woman. People are upset—considering how the film is 30 years old—that it is now they would change such a common sight: The white-coloured Ariel.

In that case, I wonder if those people were also upset by the live action versions of popular animated Disney movies.

I watched Aladdin. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t think anyone was upset. From reviews, everyone was surprised it was such a good remake. And comparing it to the old animated movie, the skin colours didn’t change.

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Geneviev wrote:What is unacceptable, that people are upset about this?


it just wouldn't make sense for a character based on northern European legends to be non-white

Maybe she’s a minority you’ve never seen before.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:48 pm

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Aeritai wrote:Apprently some people are having issues that a African-American woman is going to play as Ariel in the Little Mermaid remake I mean I'm not sure why someone's skin color is a big deal.


NO WAY

This is unacceptable

They're based on Scandinavian legends/a Danish author's works... it would make NO SENSE for her to be non-white

Considering that mermaids are mythological creatures, what makes sense is entirely up to the writer of the story.

Anne Rice twisted everything people knew about vampires in her books. And why? Because they're mythological and she can reshape them as fits her universe -- as long as she has an explanation.

The ethnicity of merfolk is immaterial.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:49 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
NO WAY

This is unacceptable

They're based on Scandinavian legends/a Danish author's works... it would make NO SENSE for her to be non-white

Considering that mermaids are mythological creatures, what makes sense is entirely up to the writer of the story.

Anne Rice twisted everything people knew about vampires in her books. And why? Because they're mythological and she can reshape them as fits her universe -- as long as she has an explanation.

The ethnicity of merfolk is immaterial.


its a hugely problematic issue sitting with me

I'm extremely bothered by it

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:51 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Considering that mermaids are mythological creatures, what makes sense is entirely up to the writer of the story.

Anne Rice twisted everything people knew about vampires in her books. And why? Because they're mythological and she can reshape them as fits her universe -- as long as she has an explanation.

The ethnicity of merfolk is immaterial.


its a hugely problematic issue sitting with me

I'm extremely bothered by it


They're just trying to jump onto the virtue signal bandwagon really. Also fuck Disney.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:52 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Considering that mermaids are mythological creatures, what makes sense is entirely up to the writer of the story.

Anne Rice twisted everything people knew about vampires in her books. And why? Because they're mythological and she can reshape them as fits her universe -- as long as she has an explanation.

The ethnicity of merfolk is immaterial.


its a hugely problematic issue sitting with me

I'm extremely bothered by it

Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:52 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
its a hugely problematic issue sitting with me

I'm extremely bothered by it

Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.


I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.


I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

…What do you think of Song of the South?
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.


I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

That... actually makes sense. I’ve never thought about it that way.

And, I mean, Disney’s had Ariel as a white-skinned character for 30 years. Why change it now? It’s going to be more apparent a change than no change.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:59 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.


I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

Why is it so desperately important to you what a fictional species -- that never existed -- looks like?

Not like Ariel's a historical character. Unlike, well... Joseph Fiennes (an excellent actor, but still...) playing Michael Jackson in an unaired episode of Urban Myths springs to mind
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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Well, maybe don't see the film?

Other people will and will enjoy it. But, if you can't, you don't have to watch.


I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points


Would you consider ditching Disney altogether over this?

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

That... actually makes sense. I’ve never thought about it that way.

And, I mean, Disney’s had Ariel as a white-skinned character for 30 years. Why change it now? It’s going to be more apparent a change than no change.


Virtue signalling.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:02 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

That... actually makes sense. I’ve never thought about it that way.

And, I mean, Disney’s had Ariel as a white-skinned character for 30 years. Why change it now? It’s going to be more apparent a change than no change.

It’s not like they could change it. They were stuck in profoundly racist America for most of their existence.
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Postby Sohansei » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm

I’d make a comment on this ongoing discussion but I’ve never actually seen the original movie so...
So this is a thing now
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:That... actually makes sense. I’ve never thought about it that way.

And, I mean, Disney’s had Ariel as a white-skinned character for 30 years. Why change it now? It’s going to be more apparent a change than no change.

It’s not like they could change it. They were stuck in profoundly racist America for most of their existence.

Not many complained when 1989 Ariel was introduced. If they decide not to change it now, people would assume it’s to carry over.

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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:08 pm

Sohansei wrote:I’d make a comment on this ongoing discussion but I’ve never actually seen the original movie so...

I’ve never seen the full original movie and I’m making comments here. Feel free to join in.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:11 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points

Why is it so desperately important to you what a fictional species -- that never existed -- looks like?

Not like Ariel's a historical character. Unlike, well... Joseph Fiennes (an excellent actor, but still...) playing Michael Jackson in an unaired episode of Urban Myths springs to mind


Because it’s part of the chatacter’s visual canon

It would be like giving Harry Potter blonde hair instead

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 pm

Nakena wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I can't consider it part of the Disney canon if they're going to alter such important aesthetic details for political points


Would you consider ditching Disney altogether over this?

Bluelight-R006 wrote:That... actually makes sense. I’ve never thought about it that way.

And, I mean, Disney’s had Ariel as a white-skinned character for 30 years. Why change it now? It’s going to be more apparent a change than no change.


Virtue signalling.


I’m a huge fan of Disney, especially of the older works

Not too happy about some of the newer decisions

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Postby Nakena » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 pm

Sohansei wrote:I’d make a comment on this ongoing discussion but I’ve never actually seen the original movie so...


Never bothered with it either. I do avoid most Disney stuff. Hell I havent even gotten around yet with various of the recent Star Wars flicks.

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Postby Sohansei » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:17 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Sohansei wrote:I’d make a comment on this ongoing discussion but I’ve never actually seen the original movie so...

I’ve never seen the full original movie and I’m making comments here. Feel free to join in.


I guess honestly this sort of stuff is effectively a difficult situation, since in most people’s perspective, there’s no real good reason to change it. So people believe that the only reason they’d do so is an as an attempt to promote diversity and such, and changing classic things for that reason really annoys some people. It can also be seen as a form of desecration in the eyes of some. That’s how I see it anyway. I guess I’m too apathetic to care all too much but my general position is that there’s not usually a good reason for doing stuff like that, even if it doesn’t matter all too much.

Nakena wrote:
Sohansei wrote:I’d make a comment on this ongoing discussion but I’ve never actually seen the original movie so...


Never bothered with it either. I do avoid most Disney stuff. Hell I havent even gotten around yet with various of the recent Star Wars flicks.


I’ve seen those, but only because of a vested interest in that particular franchise.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:21 pm

Sohansei wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I’ve never seen the full original movie and I’m making comments here. Feel free to join in.


I guess honestly this sort of stuff is effectively a difficult situation, since in most people’s perspective, there’s no real good reason to change it. So people believe that the only reason they’d do so is an as an attempt to promote diversity and such, and changing classic things for that reason really annoys some people. It can also be seen as a form of desecration in the eyes of some. That’s how I see it anyway. I guess I’m too apathetic to care all too much but my general position is that there’s not usually a good reason for doing stuff like that, even if it doesn’t matter all too much.

Ironically, the ‘good’ reason they changed Ariel’s skin colour is because there are people out there who thinks a princess’ white skin colour is racist. Therefore, they changed it.

In all honesty, it kinda annoys they would change a common and traditional sight. Yes, tradition. Even if it’s only 30 years old. It was ORIGINAL.

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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:24 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Geneviev wrote:In that case, I wonder if those people were also upset by the live action versions of popular animated Disney movies.

I watched Aladdin. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t think anyone was upset. From reviews, everyone was surprised it was such a good remake. And comparing it to the old animated movie, the skin colours didn’t change.

Infected Mushroom wrote:
it just wouldn't make sense for a character based on northern European legends to be non-white

Maybe she’s a minority you’ve never seen before.


Wow the Aladdin remake did good? Thought it would be bad since people would be more use to the Robin Williams Genie and not the Will Smith one.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:26 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I watched Aladdin. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t think anyone was upset. From reviews, everyone was surprised it was such a good remake. And comparing it to the old animated movie, the skin colours didn’t change.


Maybe she’s a minority you’ve never seen before.


Wow the Aladdin remake did good? Thought it would be bad since people would be more use to the Robin Williams Genie and not the Will Smith one.

Nah... people liked it a lot. It wasn’t as good as the original, but it was still quite good. I think both genies were good, too.

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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:30 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Wow the Aladdin remake did good? Thought it would be bad since people would be more use to the Robin Williams Genie and not the Will Smith one.

Nah... people liked it a lot. It wasn’t as good as the original, but it was still quite good. I think both genies were good, too.


Well good for Disney then if the Aladdin remake was good I wonder if the Lion King remake would be better I wonder.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:31 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:Nah... people liked it a lot. It wasn’t as good as the original, but it was still quite good. I think both genies were good, too.


Well good for Disney then if the Aladdin remake was good I wonder if the Lion King remake would be better I wonder.

From past records (reviews), Disney remakes haven’t had a clear, or at least vague, strike of good reviews. Aladdin was exceptional, which would explain why many was expecting a bad remake.
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Postby Aeritai » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:35 pm

Bluelight-R006 wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
Well good for Disney then if the Aladdin remake was good I wonder if the Lion King remake would be better I wonder.

From past records (reviews), Disney remakes haven’t had a clear, or at least vague, strike of good reviews. Aladdin was exceptional, which would explain why many was expecting a bad remake.


Well I imagine Disney won't stop making remakes even if some of them do get bad reviews.

And according to good old Google, Disney has made 200 cartoon movies, so expect like 200 remakes :P
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