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by Cetacea » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:08 am
by Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:37 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by -Ocelot- » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:38 pm
by Kowani » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:41 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:It's the other way around.
The worst dystopia is one where freedom is unlimited in all of it's forms and everyone lives in constant fear and uncertainty, in a state of chaos that never ends. People can do as they please, corporations can play with people's lives freely and everything is permitted. Everyone's out for themselves. The worst dystopia imaginable is much like our current global free market economy but fully realized, with all states dismantled and resistance from the people completely eliminated.
No authoritarian government, no matter how tyrannical, could ever be as horrible to the human species as the chaos the free market society brings with it. For one, the government would have to try to be evil, while a free market generates and maximizes misery automatically.
A perfect utopia would be any kind of post-scarcity society.
by Vetalia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:10 pm
by Nakena » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:11 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:It's the other way around.
The worst dystopia is one where freedom is unlimited in all of it's forms and everyone lives in constant fear and uncertainty, in a state of chaos that never ends. People can do as they please, corporations can play with people's lives freely and everything is permitted. Everyone's out for themselves. The worst dystopia imaginable is much like our current global free market economy but fully realized, with all states dismantled and resistance from the people completely eliminated.
No authoritarian government, no matter how tyrannical, could ever be as horrible to the human species as the chaos the free market society brings with it. For one, the government would have to try to be evil, while a free market generates and maximizes misery automatically.
by Vetalia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:12 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:It's the other way around.
The worst dystopia is one where freedom is unlimited in all of it's forms and everyone lives in constant fear and uncertainty, in a state of chaos that never ends. People can do as they please, corporations can play with people's lives freely and everything is permitted. Everyone's out for themselves. The worst dystopia imaginable is much like our current global free market economy but fully realized, with all states dismantled and resistance from the people completely eliminated.
No authoritarian government, no matter how tyrannical, could ever be as horrible to the human species as the chaos the free market society brings with it. For one, the government would have to try to be evil, while a free market generates and maximizes misery automatically.
A perfect utopia would be any kind of post-scarcity society.
by Nakena » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:16 pm
Vetalia wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:It's the other way around.
The worst dystopia is one where freedom is unlimited in all of it's forms and everyone lives in constant fear and uncertainty, in a state of chaos that never ends. People can do as they please, corporations can play with people's lives freely and everything is permitted. Everyone's out for themselves. The worst dystopia imaginable is much like our current global free market economy but fully realized, with all states dismantled and resistance from the people completely eliminated.
No authoritarian government, no matter how tyrannical, could ever be as horrible to the human species as the chaos the free market society brings with it. For one, the government would have to try to be evil, while a free market generates and maximizes misery automatically.
A perfect utopia would be any kind of post-scarcity society.
The concept of a corporation insulated from personal liability from its owners is actually a creation of the state.
And seriously, no authoritarian government could be as horrible as the free market society? Do you have any knowledge of the past 100-odd years of history!?
Thomas Hobbes wrote:In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:18 pm
by Vetalia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:23 pm
Nakena wrote:Nah it was just another form of the natural state. Essentially the same way as Thomas Hobbes has described it.Thomas Hobbes wrote:In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
Leviathan
by Loben The 2nd » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:25 pm
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:27 pm
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:35 pm
-Ocelot- wrote:It's the other way around.
The worst dystopia is one where freedom is unlimited in all of it's forms and everyone lives in constant fear and uncertainty, in a state of chaos that never ends. People can do as they please, corporations can play with people's lives freely and everything is permitted. Everyone's out for themselves. The worst dystopia imaginable is much like our current global free market economy but fully realized, with all states dismantled and resistance from the people completely eliminated.
No authoritarian government, no matter how tyrannical, could ever be as horrible to the human species as the chaos the free market society brings with it. For one, the government would have to try to be evil, while a free market generates and maximizes misery automatically.
by Tokora » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:01 pm
by Solarist VZ » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:11 pm
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by The Emerald Legion » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:49 pm
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by Thermodolia » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:33 pm
The Norden Utopia wrote:I'll start off:
My vision of a dystopia assimilates more to a orwellian kind of society, where all freedoms are supressed, ignorance is wide and there is rampant inequality. Albeit all of these factors being real, the government lies about them and convince citizens they're on a better condition than the other nations in the world.
My vision of utopia is a post-scarcity society where no actual money exists, people can pursue their dreams instead of working on jobs they are not satisfied to. Freedom is abundant and a steemed society value. Taboos are inexistent and anyone may do anything as long they aren't harming others. Honesty is rooted within the culture and people 99% of the times tell the truth.
Now, whats your vision of dystopia and utopia?
by Aeritai » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:21 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:10 am
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