2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Tarsonis]

“Health care isn’t just a human right, it’s an American right.” - Cory Booker

What the hell does that mean?

It’s rhetorical nonsense

[Arlenton]

“Health care isn’t just a human right, it’s an American right.” - Cory Booker

What the hell does that mean?

Mike Gravel's twitter is great.

[Arlenton]

The real winner tonight is Mitch McConnell.

[Juristonia]

Castro was the biggest surprise in a positive way for me.
Beto's getting.. tiresome.

[Arlenton]

Castro was the biggest surprise in a positive way for me.
Beto's getting.. tiresome.

Beto was never all that much really. It was just they hype of Texas possibly going blue.

[Juristonia]

Castro was the biggest surprise in a positive way for me.
Beto's getting.. tiresome.

Beto was never all that much really. It was just they hype of Texas possibly going blue.

Yeah, I never really got the whole progressive hero boner some people suddenly had for him.
Progressive for Texas, maybe, but beyond that, not so much.

But just in general, he was just weak in the debate.

[Kowani]

“Health care isn’t just a human right, it’s an American right.” - Cory Booker

What the hell does that mean?

I had to twist it to mean that it was a human right that America doesn’t recognize.

[Cerinda]

Trump's reaction to the debate

Such a presidental thing to say, truly such elegant language.

[Arlenton]

Beto was never all that much really. It was just they hype of Texas possibly going blue.

Yeah, I never really got the whole progressive hero boner some people suddenly had for him.
Progressive for Texas, maybe, but beyond that, not so much.

But just in general, he was just weak in the debate.

His debates against Cruz in our senate race last year were the same. I just wrote it off as Cruz just being more experienced, but I guess he's just a bland and non-aggressive debater. And yeah I agree with you, down here he was seen as very progressive, but nationwide he's just an average Democrat. The lack of many high profile liberals in the state paved the way for a bland, yet down to Earth, guy like him to take the spotlight. Put him on the national scale and he just can't compete.

[Conserative Morality]

Liked Tulsi Gabbard on non-interventionism and pulling out of Afghanistan, surprisingly liked a fair number of Booker's takes.

I respect Tulsi's non-interventionism, and she's still my top choice, but the line about the Taliban still being there long after we leave sticks in my craw. The Taliban is not some permanent fixture of Afghanistan. It's not even a native movement in origin. We had almost crushed it at one point. If she wants to get out of Afghanistan, I get and respect that, but phrasing it in such terms sounds more like apathy towards tyranny than principled pacifism.

[San Lumen]

Liked Tulsi Gabbard on non-interventionism and pulling out of Afghanistan, surprisingly liked a fair number of Booker's takes.

I respect Tulsi's non-interventionism, and she's still my top choice, but the line about the Taliban still being there long after we leave sticks in my craw. The Taliban is not some permanent fixture of Afghanistan. It's not even a native movement in origin. We had almost crushed it at one point. If she wants to get out of Afghanistan, I get and respect that, but phrasing it in such terms sounds more like apathy towards tyranny than principled pacifism.

Gabbard is very unlikely to get the nod but I must say Castro was mighty impressive too

[San Lumen]

Yeah, I never really got the whole progressive hero boner some people suddenly had for him.
Progressive for Texas, maybe, but beyond that, not so much.

But just in general, he was just weak in the debate.

His debates against Cruz in our senate race last year were the same. I just wrote it off as Cruz just being more experienced, but I guess he's just a bland and non-aggressive debater. And yeah I agree with you, down here he was seen as very progressive, but nationwide he's just an average Democrat. The lack of many high profile liberals in the state paved the way for a bland, yet down to Earth, guy like him to take the spotlight. Put him on the national scale and he just can't compete.

In my view he should run for Senate again

[Arlenton]

Debate performances.

de Blasio: A+
Really surprised me. He came out swinging and went on the attack. As a lesser known low polling candidate, he really grabbed the spotlight a few times. He went from a nobody to the spotlight by aggressively going after everyone. and no one could counter him. His proud embrace of left wing ideas is a great move in this primary. I'd say he had the best performance in terms of how low he's been polling and how little known he is compared to like Booker or Warren.

Ryan: F
He seems to be going against the grain of the Democratic party, which I don't think will help. And as a lesser known candidate, he managed to get some attention but most of it was when Gabbard went after him. Most of the attention he got was negative.

Castro: A
He seemed to do well. He got a good amount of attention as a low polling candidate. I think he really had an impact. Did not seem like a low polling candidate, despite being one.

Booker: A
He made it seem like he was the front runner in the race. Despite not being in the middle of the stage, he made it seem like he was, if that makes sense.

Warren: C
Her problem was that despite being the highest polling candidate on the stage, she did not talk as much or get as much attention as Booker. Nothing she said was bad, but without knowing the polling info, I would have never guessed that she was the top candidate on the stage based on her performance.

O'Rourke: F
Just go home Beto.

Klobuchar: B
She did pretty well. Seems like she did what Ryan and Delaney were trying to do, but better. Stuck out from the other candidates who were trying to outflank each other from the left, but in a way that didn't make her seem like she was going against the grain of the party. Her comment on abortion was great for her. She could have gotten more attention though.

Gabbard: A
She came out swinging and grabbed attention. Did not seem like a low polling candidate, despite being one. If any part of this debate were to be replayed after this,it will be when she went after Ryan. I think she had a good impact. Her only problem is that she focuses too much on foreign policy, like talking about wars and military spending when asked about the wage gap.

Inslee: D
Didn't do bad, but didn't get much attention. He didn't really talk all that much. Him saying Trump was the greatest geopolitical threat was a good move, as it really plays well into how this primary will play out. Still he should have tried to grab more attention.

Delaney: C
He made himself visible, and didn't have any gaffes like Ryan. He seemed to try to call for moderation like Ryan, which I don't think will help him. As a lesser known low polling candidate, he managed to grab attention. I was actually impressed by how much he grabbed attention, but his issue was that while the attention he got wasn't bad, it wasn't that good either.

[Arlenton]

His debates against Cruz in our senate race last year were the same. I just wrote it off as Cruz just being more experienced, but I guess he's just a bland and non-aggressive debater. And yeah I agree with you, down here he was seen as very progressive, but nationwide he's just an average Democrat. The lack of many high profile liberals in the state paved the way for a bland, yet down to Earth, guy like him to take the spotlight. Put him on the national scale and he just can't compete.

In my view he should run for Senate again

Would be smart idea for him, as it could make the Texas race competitive again. But I do think this race would be a lot more difficult for him. Cornyn is a lot less polarizing than Cruz, and he also has a history of reaching out and doing well with Hispanics like Governor Abbott. Plus with Trump on the ballot, rural Texas will actually turn out unlike in 2018.

[South Odreria]

No one is going to vote for De Blasio, but I’m very much here for him starting fights. I demand entertainment.

In serious analysis, Beto, Ryan, and Delaney are all dead. The others managed to stay somewhat relevant.

[Cannot think of a name]

[Vassenor]

SCOTUS rules along party lines that partisan gerrymandering is 100% legal.

[The Archipelago Territory]

Biden-Castro will probably win because Biden is ahead in polls and Castro, who absolutely won the debate and stood up to Beto, who has a criminal history, knows Biden since he was in his cabinet. They’d be centrists and have a good chance of winning the general election too

[Zurkerx]

Breaking: Supreme Court rejects limits to partisan gerrymandering; says Federal Courts have no authority to curb partisan gerrymandering

Probably one of the worst ways to rule on such a case. And now we'll both sides doing it more after 2020...

[The Archipelago Territory]

SCOTUS rules along party lines that partisan gerrymandering is 100% legal.

“Daily Kos”

[Vassenor]

SCOTUS rules along party lines that partisan gerrymandering is 100% legal.

“Daily Kos”

I'm not following your point. If you're going to allege bias, actually use the content of the article rather than just the publication.

[Washington Resistance Army]

SCOTUS rules along party lines that partisan gerrymandering is 100% legal.

I know you won't actually care but no that is not what SCOTUS said.

[Vassenor]

SCOTUS rules along party lines that partisan gerrymandering is 100% legal.

I know you won't actually care but no that is not what SCOTUS said.

Well then why don't you explain it for us rather than sitting there pretending to be smug.

[The Archipelago Territory]

“Daily Kos”

I'm not following your point. If you're going to allege bias, actually use the content of the article rather than just the publication.

I’m not going after bias. I just don’t trust lesser known publications with nonsense names

[Washington Resistance Army]

I know you won't actually care but no that is not what SCOTUS said.

Well then why don't you explain it for us rather than sitting there pretending to be smug.

They, rather correctly imo, said the issue is inherently not one for the judicial branch to answer. This ball is in Congress's court, and I have to applaud Roberts for actually doing that cuz far too often the various branches try to stick their noses where they don't belong.

also lol at you calling others smug