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by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:36 pm
by The Brine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:37 pm
Bluelight-R006 wrote:Fredon Columbia wrote:No they don't. Cars are very convenient, personal, and fun to drive (at least imo). Banning cars is way too overreaching for the government, not to mention the incredible job loss and public pushback from such an act. I would not support nor comply with that law. If a society voluntarily moves to a more bus/skytrain-heavy environment, that's all fine and dandy, but banning automobiles is not okay.
This ^^
Truly, banning automobiles will result in the loss of jobs for a lot of people. Environment is important, but think about the people!
by Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:38 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:38 pm
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:38 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:No one puts their full trust in technology. See point number 3 on that post and see why I still say it’s a better alternative! They cause less casualties, unlike humans whose imperfections lead to accidents. Though cars themselves are made by imperfect humans, they’re based on a sense of basic thinking, and not like humans whose stupidity can overthrow logic in times of quick thinking.
And bikes? You think it’s logical, logical if I want to cycle for hundreds of kilometres to an area where planes can’t reach that certain area? My Father cycles to work but that’s because it’s only 10 kilometres away!
Read my edit.
by Neo Kerala » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:39 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:(1) Ever heard of electric cars? We can use renewable energy to make the cars. Not all cars emit CO^2. Therefore, not all cars should be banned.
(2) We can’t repeat that because that was back then, getting to our destinations was really inconvenient. Using horses and just walking isn’t going to get us to our destinations by the time we are supposed to arrive.
(3) And we are inventing new technology that can avoid the imperfection of man that leads to accidents. Though not so reliable, will result in lesser casualties.
(4) And people still walk on the streets — to get to destinations that are near. You’re talking as if the streets were empty and desolate!
(5) Never! Never will banning vehicles be a great decision! Vehicles get us to our destinations faster, they ease us on having to cycle or walk and make us tired. Watch your words: Not all vehicles are bad.
Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.
by Fredon Columbia » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:42 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:43 pm
Kowani wrote:Also, cars promote both personal and societal independence
by Alien Overlord » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:44 pm
Kowani wrote:Oh. Oh, that’s so sad.Alien Overlord wrote:Philosophy isn't a hard science and therefore can't be invalid.Considering The United States was founded with a understanding that personal liberty was important, it's not ahistorical either.
Yes, and how’s that worked out? Slavery, the Gilded Age, Woodrow Wilson, and a constant erosion of said liberties.Alien Overlord wrote:A society based around individualism is superior to a society based around collectivism.
Citation needed.
Walkerfort wrote:so...
Banning cars will lead to a clusterfuck of mininations everywhere and attempting to mash two Eras together miserably and 1984 style dictatorships
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by Rothbardian Paradise » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:44 pm
by The Brine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:44 pm
Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Brine wrote:Read my edit.
Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...
by Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:44 pm
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:45 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:(1) Ever heard of electric cars? We can use renewable energy to make the cars. Not all cars emit CO^2. Therefore, not all cars should be banned.
(2) We can’t repeat that because that was back then, getting to our destinations was really inconvenient. Using horses and just walking isn’t going to get us to our destinations by the time we are supposed to arrive.
(3) And we are inventing new technology that can avoid the imperfection of man that leads to accidents. Though not so reliable, will result in lesser casualties.
(4) And people still walk on the streets — to get to destinations that are near. You’re talking as if the streets were empty and desolate!
(5) Never! Never will banning vehicles be a great decision! Vehicles get us to our destinations faster, they ease us on having to cycle or walk and make us tired. Watch your words: Not all vehicles are bad.
Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:45 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...
Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.
by Jebslund » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 pm
Saiwania wrote:The thing supposedly holding back electric cars is the state of battery technology. Until there is a battery that is exponentially better than lithium-ion, electric vehicles aren't going to take off as much as they could. All cars becoming electric but also affordable, would be the ideal outcome. There is a ton of inertia unfortunately, that keeps fossil fuel powered cars on the road.
by The Brine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:47 pm
Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Brine wrote:Unlike you, I don't put my 100% trust in technology if you are referring to cars that drive themselves. Also, ever heard of bikes? Not only do they not release any pollution into the air but they actually require some manual labor this will allow for a more independent/stronger society of people who do not rely on technology to carry on with their everyday lives.
Another scenario:
A man whose work is 50 kilometres from his house has to bring home a lot of work to do over night, he doesn’t get enough sleep because he did that huge pile of work and needs to set aside time to cycle back in the morning.
That’s more unhealthy, for the love of God.
by Rothbardian Paradise » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:48 pm
Kowani wrote:Fredon Columbia wrote:And there's a reason the Soviet Union collapsed. What's your point?
That individualism is not inherently better than collectivism-and that all societies, by virtue of being societies-are collectivist. Therefore, collectivism is the only way on any large scale or long period of time.
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:49 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:Another scenario:
A man whose work is 50 kilometres from his house has to bring home a lot of work to do over night, he doesn’t get enough sleep because he did that huge pile of work and needs to set aside time to cycle back in the morning.
That’s more unhealthy, for the love of God.
Well, if he was a smart man, he would have took a train.
by Walkerfort » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:49 pm
by The Brine » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:49 pm
Galloism wrote:The Brine wrote:Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.
Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:49 pm
Jebslund wrote:Saiwania wrote:The thing supposedly holding back electric cars is the state of battery technology. Until there is a battery that is exponentially better than lithium-ion, electric vehicles aren't going to take off as much as they could. All cars becoming electric but also affordable, would be the ideal outcome. There is a ton of inertia unfortunately, that keeps fossil fuel powered cars on the road.
There won't be, because a battery that much better would also be that much more dangerous. The problem with batteries isn't generating power, but, rather, safely storing it, and more energy density means it needs to release power more slowly if you don't want it to go boom.
That said, I do agree that all cars becoming electric would be better, especially if we then switched our power grid over to more environmentally-friendly methods of power generation.
by Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:51 pm
Rothbardian Paradise wrote:Kowani wrote:That individualism is not inherently better than collectivism-and that all societies, by virtue of being societies-are collectivist. Therefore, collectivism is the only way on any large scale or long period of time.
That's a bad argument that fails to even consider the possibility of methodological individualism. You can't just define society collectively from the get-go.
by Bluelight-R006 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:51 pm
The Brine wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:Read it, doesn’t prove my point. Certain people have limits. We’ve come to a time where people aren’t fit enough to ride for hundreds of kilometres. And don’t you dare e’er say they have to push themselves, because some people can’t, and if they are forced to cycle 500 kilometres...
Natural selection, my friend. If they can't put a little elbow grease into it then they are weak and do not deserve a place in society. Also this feeds into my other idea of instead of big countries that span across millions of miles of land, every country should be split up into small communities that way it's more convenient for citizens living in the countryside.
by Galloism » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:51 pm
The Brine wrote:Galloism wrote:Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.
That's exactly my point, why do you need to go anywhere else? Every community should have everything a person needs. The only thing I see is that if you live up North and want to go to the beach then you're going to have to take a plane for that.
by Kowani » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:52 pm
The Brine wrote:Galloism wrote:Those border crossings will be a bitch if you want to go anywhere.
That's exactly my point, why do you need to go anywhere else? Every community should have everything a person needs. The only thing I see is that if you live up North and want to go to the beach then you're going to have to take a plane for that.
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