There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
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by Proctopeo » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:21 pm
by Costa Fierro » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:47 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:
Be thankful I gave your opinion a modicum of respect because you actually wanted to have a discussion as opposed to shitposting.
There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
by Forsher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:23 am
Arlenton wrote:You can't convince me New Zealand is a free country...
Proctopeo wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:
Be thankful I gave your opinion a modicum of respect because you actually wanted to have a discussion as opposed to shitposting.
There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
by Ors Might » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:32 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Proctopeo wrote:There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
I give no respect to them because they were doing the latter.
by The Great Swedish Empire » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:43 am
by Forsher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:24 am
The Great Swedish Empire wrote:While I do agree that sharing such a video and even asking for a kill counter being edited in is disgusting I still believe that charging him with prison is the wrong course of action. This sets a rather dangerous precedent. If such a law is enforced how far could it extend?
by Communist Zombie Horde » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:27 am
by Forsher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:36 am
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:If it's disturbing they can delete it and be done. No need to jail.
by Proctopeo » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:46 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Proctopeo wrote:There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
I give no respect to them because they were doing the latter.
by Ors Might » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:20 am
by Cappuccina » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:42 am
The Great Swedish Empire wrote:While I do agree that sharing such a video and even asking for a kill counter being edited in is disgusting I still believe that charging him with prison is the wrong course of action. This sets a rather dangerous precedent. If such a law is enforced how far could it extend?
by Forsher » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:30 am
by Farnhamia » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:56 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Proctopeo wrote:There's a clear, solid difference between "expressing opinions you don't want to hear" and "shitposting". The majority of people you've been giving no respect to have been doing the former, not the latter.
I give no respect to them because they were doing the latter.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:24 pm
Ors Might wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:
I give no respect to them because they were doing the latter.
Yes yes, all the meanies criticizing your country were just shit posting. Even when we gave actual reasons why we disliked this law and you responded by being as assholish as you could, refusing to engage.
Proctopeo wrote:I mean, that's objectively untrue, but you're dead set on believing it, so there's no point in trying to convince you, or any point in anyone trying to discuss this topic with you whatsoever, for that matter.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:30 pm
The Great Swedish Empire wrote:While I do agree that sharing such a video and even asking for a kill counter being edited in is disgusting I still believe that charging him with prison is the wrong course of action. This sets a rather dangerous precedent. If such a law is enforced how far could it extend?
Cappuccina wrote:I'm of the same mindset, offending people, even in such a grotesque manner, isn't illegal and censorship shouldn't be implemented.
by Galloism » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:37 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:The Great Swedish Empire wrote:While I do agree that sharing such a video and even asking for a kill counter being edited in is disgusting I still believe that charging him with prison is the wrong course of action. This sets a rather dangerous precedent. If such a law is enforced how far could it extend?
The slippery slope fallacy really doesn't cut it given that this is probably the first time someone has been jailed for violations relating to the distribution of banned media.
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Simply sharing or possessing the video isn't going to land you in prison.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:38 pm
by Proctopeo » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Case in point, you're dead set on believing your self-serving view of reality.
If it was self-serving then it'd be denying every criticism about New Zealand. But because the subject is in the context of law and on a subjective topic, and therefore claims of inherent objectivity go out the window, because any argument for and against will be inherently driven by subjective beliefs. An appeal to inherent objectivity, especially about the criticisms of the law that exist, cannot be made.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pm
Galloism wrote:As we’ve seen, these are lies.
There’s at least 8 that we know of linked in this thread.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:46 pm
Proctopeo wrote:I don't know, I see being able to reject every criticism of this action or the laws that permitted it as "shitposting" as being very self-serving.
by Galloism » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:48 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:Galloism wrote:As we’ve seen, these are lies.
These aren't lies. This person is the only one who has been sentenced and imprisoned.There’s at least 8 that we know of linked in this thread.
There have been eight that have been arrested, only one of which has been sentenced to imprisonment.
Costa Fierro wrote:
The slippery slope fallacy really doesn't cut it given that this is probably the first time someone has been jailed for violations relating to the distribution of banned media.
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Simply sharing or possessing the video isn't going to land you in prison.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:53 pm
Galloism wrote:Put that goalpost back.
What do you do with people arrested and awaiting trial if not jailed or put in prison? Week at the spa? Hang out on the beach? Clean up garbage at the park?
And the guy who pled guilty, what did he get?
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