The South Falls wrote:I think it'll be expedient (if Iran perpetrated the attacks), to wait and pursue a diplomatic option.
Good luck with that. Trump is in deep with the chickenhawks who are desperate to go to war.
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by Vassenor » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:09 pm
The South Falls wrote:I think it'll be expedient (if Iran perpetrated the attacks), to wait and pursue a diplomatic option.
by Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:10 pm
by Novus America » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:10 pm
by Thanatttynia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:11 pm
Novus America wrote:The South Falls wrote:I think it'll be expedient (if Iran perpetrated the attacks), to wait and pursue a diplomatic option.
Well I agree that we should not go to war over this, diplomacy with Iran is impossible when they have absolutely said they will not negotiate.
But we should use this to try to get more countries to sanction Iran.
And to drive a wedge between Iran and countries still on good terms with Iran.
by North German Realm » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:14 pm
Novus America wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/14/middleeast/iran-gulf-of-oman-attacks-analysis-robertson-intl/index.html
A great article.
5 Nov, 2020
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by Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Novus America wrote:
Well I agree that we should not go to war over this, diplomacy with Iran is impossible when they have absolutely said they will not negotiate.
But we should use this to try to get more countries to sanction Iran.
And to drive a wedge between Iran and countries still on good terms with Iran.
Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol
by Novus America » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:16 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Novus America wrote:
Well I agree that we should not go to war over this, diplomacy with Iran is impossible when they have absolutely said they will not negotiate.
But we should use this to try to get more countries to sanction Iran.
And to drive a wedge between Iran and countries still on good terms with Iran.
Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol
by Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:17 pm
Novus America wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol
The “deal” was all concessions.
We got nothing in return.
Also
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKCN1TE14V
Dealing with Iran directly will not be productive.
Our diplomacy should be towards third parties.
by North German Realm » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:18 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Novus America wrote:
Well I agree that we should not go to war over this, diplomacy with Iran is impossible when they have absolutely said they will not negotiate.
But we should use this to try to get more countries to sanction Iran.
And to drive a wedge between Iran and countries still on good terms with Iran.
Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by North German Realm » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:20 pm
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:20 pm
by Novus America » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:22 pm
Loben The 2nd wrote:Novus America wrote:
The “deal” was all concessions.
We got nothing in return.
Also
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKCN1TE14V
Dealing with Iran directly will not be productive.
Our diplomacy should be towards third parties.
Can diplomacy be conducted via destroying Iran’s means of striking our allies in the region?
by Surkiea » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:35 pm
by Cerinda » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:39 pm
Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:As always, she and her inbred minions will be fine whilst the rest of us get our arseholes annexed by the might of the Tory thundercock.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:13 pm
Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm
North German Realm wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Diplomacy with Iran impossible? Seem to remember there being a nuclear deal signed with them a few years ago to which the US was signatory... surely US Cons haven't forgotten about that already lol
A deal that should never have been made, and one that simply resulted in the surviving of the IR's economy for a few more years, resulting in literally nothing but the upkeep of militias and terrorist organizations in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, """""Palestine""""", and Iraq, itself resulting in the murder of hundreds more of civilians in literally every single Middle Eastern country except for maybe Turkey, all the while not stopping Iranian ambitions for nuclear terrorism -something that's actually kinda made into a Joke in Iran itself, with multiple officials explaining how they snuck the reactors past the inspections anyway.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:52 pm
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by Rio Cana » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:04 pm
by Rio Cana » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:11 pm
Surkiea wrote:I hope this will cause the toppling of the regime, we need to bomb Iranian military and civilian targets and create a way for our ground troops to occupy the country, we then take their oil fields and set up a friendly government.
by Gig em Aggies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:11 pm
The Archipelago Territory wrote:THERE WAS AN IRANIAN MINE FOUND IN THE SHIP, BUT TORPEDOES WERE FIRED. SOMEONE IS TRYING TO FRAME IRAN!
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:22 pm
by Scomagia » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:24 pm
Torrocca wrote:So, among other's putting into question the USA's almost-immediate accusations of this being an Iranian attack is the owner of the Japanese tanker that was attacked, who's saying that first-hand reports from his ship's crew talk about being attacked by what was likely a missile hitting their ship, not mines exploding.
This isn't to say Iran is or isn't responsible, just that the US accusations are heavily contradictory to first-hand reports.
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