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by Painisia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:03 am
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by Novus America » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:18 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
by Painisia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:46 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
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by Duhon » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:20 am
Painisia wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
Nah, I`ll think those youngsters will mature with age. Be happy that there is age restrictions on public offices. The US wouldn't be pleased if a 16-year old became President.
by Diopolis » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
by Diopolis » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:37 am
Painisia wrote:Today is June 4th, otherwise known as the day in which the PRC pretends that nothing special happened on this date. The CCP Government brands the Tiananmen Square Massacre as the "June Fourth Incident". Does RWDT have any suggestions for a new name for the event that happened on June 4th 1989?
Mine is "Summer Brawl"
by Darussalam » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:38 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I got sent this the other day and figured some here might find it to be an interesting read.
tl;dr it's written by a German NazBol in the 30's who sought to combine the nationalism and such things of the NSDAP with elements of the KPD's platform mixed in and create a national socialist state allied with but separate from the Soviets. Paetel (the author) is a very little known figure, in my experience at least, and tends to be overshadowed by Strasser so it's cool to have some of his writings in English.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:This is false. If you don't support democracy, you are not a libertarian. Simply as that.
Novus America wrote:You seem big into the banning people from public office.
After you are done banning everyone you do not like who is left?
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:46 am
Darussalam wrote:Nice job excluding anarcho-capitalists as Not True Libertarians.
Political freedom is orthogonal to libertarian values - it's favorable insofar as it supports individual liberties, unfavorable insofar as it doesn't support them. At the end, 'right to vote' is just 'right to dictate the life of others', and in principle not at all different from all sorts of tyranny or dictatorial rule. Read Nozick's Tale of the Slave. You can say that democracy is the best system to advance libertarian values (as I have emphasized before, I happen to strongly disagree). But regardless of who's correct on that question neither democracy nor any other political institution is core to the idea itself, so determining ideological affiliation from political institution preference is just dumb.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:48 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Darussalam wrote:Nice job excluding anarcho-capitalists as Not True Libertarians.
Political freedom is orthogonal to libertarian values - it's favorable insofar as it supports individual liberties, unfavorable insofar as it doesn't support them. At the end, 'right to vote' is just 'right to dictate the life of others', and in principle not at all different from all sorts of tyranny or dictatorial rule. Read Nozick's Tale of the Slave. You can say that democracy is the best system to advance libertarian values (as I have emphasized before, I happen to strongly disagree). But regardless of who's correct on that question neither democracy nor any other political institution is core to the idea itself, so determining ideological affiliation from political institution preference is just dumb.
I meant if you support an autocratic model of a state, you are not a libertarian. Ancaps don't support a state, so they don't support autocracy.
The right to vote is a right to have a say in the running of the government, that's fundamental to liberty (assuming there is a government, hence ancaps). Even total mob rule democracy is better than the equivalently unrestricted autocracy because tyranny of the majority is marginally better than tyranny of the minority. "No taxation without representation" is the fundamental axiom of democracy, as well as one of the fundamental axioms of most interpretations of liberalism and libertarianism. Reject that, and you reject mainstream libertarianism. It is possible to be a libertarian and support autocracy, I was being hyperbolic there. But at the risk of No True Scotsmanning, I'd say that autocratic forms of libertarianism seem quite prone to hawkishness, and playing fast and loose with their ideological principles.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I meant if you support an autocratic model of a state, you are not a libertarian. Ancaps don't support a state, so they don't support autocracy.
The right to vote is a right to have a say in the running of the government, that's fundamental to liberty (assuming there is a government, hence ancaps). Even total mob rule democracy is better than the equivalently unrestricted autocracy because tyranny of the majority is marginally better than tyranny of the minority. "No taxation without representation" is the fundamental axiom of democracy, as well as one of the fundamental axioms of most interpretations of liberalism and libertarianism. Reject that, and you reject mainstream libertarianism. It is possible to be a libertarian and support autocracy, I was being hyperbolic there. But at the risk of No True Scotsmanning, I'd say that autocratic forms of libertarianism seem quite prone to hawkishness, and playing fast and loose with their ideological principles.
I don't really see how tyranny becomes slightly better just because more people agree with that tyranny.
by Communist Zombie Horde » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:18 am
Diopolis wrote:Darussalam wrote:"Moderate" here meaning something more authoritarian than the present governing centrism, sure.
It's a reality - libertarians cannot win with democracy. Otherwise a libertarian candidate would have defeated Trump. Who did? Even Clinton is a social democrat.
When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.
by Bienenhalde » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:21 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:42 am
Bienenhalde wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.
I completely agree. And there is also the issue of the ties that fraternities have to Freemasonry and other shady secret societies. I think that they ought to be banned from college campuses.
by Highever » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:46 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
I completely agree. And there is also the issue of the ties that fraternities have to Freemasonry and other shady secret societies. I think that they ought to be banned from college campuses.
What did Freemasons do to get everyone to hate them?
They're included in, like, every conspiracy theory now.
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by Camelone » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:48 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
I completely agree. And there is also the issue of the ties that fraternities have to Freemasonry and other shady secret societies. I think that they ought to be banned from college campuses.
What did Freemasons do to get everyone to hate them?
They're included in, like, every conspiracy theory now.
by Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:49 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
I completely agree. And there is also the issue of the ties that fraternities have to Freemasonry and other shady secret societies. I think that they ought to be banned from college campuses.
What did Freemasons do to get everyone to hate them?
They're included in, like, every conspiracy theory now.
by Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:52 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
I completely agree. And there is also the issue of the ties that fraternities have to Freemasonry and other shady secret societies. I think that they ought to be banned from college campuses.
What did Freemasons do to get everyone to hate them?
They're included in, like, every conspiracy theory now.
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by Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 am
by Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:00 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Hammer Britannia wrote:They're an easy scapegoat to explain why conspiracy theory X can't be proved. Like the Illuminati or the Jews.
Honestly, the only experience I've had with Freemasonry was as a young lad when I went to this chess club at the Masonic Lodge in my hometown.
Nice people. They gave me donuts.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Highever » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:02 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Honestly, the only experience I've had with Freemasonry was as a young lad when I went to this chess club at the Masonic Lodge in my hometown.
Nice people. They gave me donuts.
Mine has been with a few members, all of them nice normal people. Not the sort who would plot the downfall of Western civilization or whatever it is that the conspiracy theorists believe they do. I've entertained becoming a member.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:10 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Honestly, the only experience I've had with Freemasonry was as a young lad when I went to this chess club at the Masonic Lodge in my hometown.
Nice people. They gave me donuts.
Mine has been with a few members, all of them nice normal people. Not the sort who would plot the downfall of Western civilization or whatever it is that the conspiracy theorists believe they do. I've entertained becoming a member.
by Joohan » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:16 am
by Diopolis » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:09 am
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Diopolis wrote:When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.
Pinochet was a good leader.
by Novus America » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:10 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Honestly, the only experience I've had with Freemasonry was as a young lad when I went to this chess club at the Masonic Lodge in my hometown.
Nice people. They gave me donuts.
Mine has been with a few members, all of them nice normal people. Not the sort who would plot the downfall of Western civilization or whatever it is that the conspiracy theorists believe they do. I've entertained becoming a member.
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