Philjia wrote:There's no such thing as a universally applicable tool.
There's no such thing as unilateral escalation.
Then take an L as the price of democracy or get tips from the confederate.
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by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:03 pm
Philjia wrote:There's no such thing as a universally applicable tool.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kannap » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:06 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Kannap wrote:I think the American problem is when the peaceful protest route is taken, the oppressors respond with violence. Naturally, when met with violence, some people become less and less inclined to continue along peacefully having the shit beat out of them so they respond with violence.
Not to go too off-topic, but why do you think Americans (or some of them) are so quick to violence?
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by New haven america » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:08 pm
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:11 pm
Kannap wrote:
1. I'm American
2. I've spent a lifetime learning American history in schools, it's violence galore.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:11 pm
by Kannap » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:12 pm
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:I stopped watching LoTR for this?
Fine, my own two cents.
Riots bad.
Now, back to watching more of Frodo’s bitching and whining.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:13 pm
by Threlizdun » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:13 pm
by Kannap » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:14 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Kannap wrote:
1. I'm American
2. I've spent a lifetime learning American history in schools, it's violence galore.
Violence has been critical at every phase of American life. Pioneers, revolutionaries, and after the second world war our capacity to kill other humans elevated us to super power status and a hegemonic power after the cold war.
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by Kannap » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:17 pm
Kowani wrote:Des-Bal wrote:There's no such thing as unilateral escalation.
Then take an L as the price of democracy or get tips from the confederate.
Democracy is not an inherent good, if it serves to hold back the Nation, then the People have failed. Likewise, if the ballot box is useless to achieve one’s ends, then the bullet may suffice wherein the trade-off is judged worthy.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:19 pm
Kowani wrote:Democracy is not an inherent good, if it serves to hold back the Nation, then the People have failed. Likewise, if the ballot box is useless to achieve one’s ends, then the bullet may suffice wherein the trade-off is judged worthy.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:22 pm
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:I stopped watching LoTR for this?
Fine, my own two cents.
Riots bad.
Now, back to watching more of Frodo’s bitching and whining.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:27 pm
Kannap wrote:Kowani wrote:Democracy is not an inherent good, if it serves to hold back the Nation, then the People have failed. Likewise, if the ballot box is useless to achieve one’s ends, then the bullet may suffice wherein the trade-off is judged worthy.
Lets not forget that 40.5 years ago, when we won the ballot box and got a candidate elected to a major office for the first time it was a straight man who pulled the trigger and an all straight jury who decided he didn't deserve to be charged with two murders. Violence begets violence.
And yet that too is backed with violence. No system is not.Des-Bal wrote:Kowani wrote:Democracy is not an inherent good, if it serves to hold back the Nation, then the People have failed. Likewise, if the ballot box is useless to achieve one’s ends, then the bullet may suffice wherein the trade-off is judged worthy.
Yes democracy is an inherent good because you have something other than violence to lean on.
And yet, it is. It is not the most desirable of solutions, and yet it remains.Des-Bal wrote: Violence is a tool but when you present it as a solution to not getting your way it belies a fundamental misunderstanding.
Des-Bal wrote:If you're feeling groggy for a violent revolution remember that when naked bodies are being chucked in a mass grave you might not have the privilege of holding the shovel.
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:38 pm
Kowani wrote:
I will be sure to inform Washington and Robespierre that rhetoric can be used against them.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:39 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Kowani wrote:
I will be sure to inform Washington and Robespierre that rhetoric can be used against them.
There's the problem. You're not overthrowing a monarchy, you're not freeing slaves, you're not doing any of the things you draw comparisons from. You're talking about a revolutionary temper tantrum in a system where your voice is dreadfully heard. If you attack that system you will be very easilly be outnumbered, outgunned, and killed or jailed. If you can't win a vote maybe don't make it a street fight.
by The Rich Port » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:41 pm
Saiwania wrote:Kannap wrote:Absolutely, I think we are prone to forget that we need to get angry and push for progress, not sit quietly and beg nicely.
If the majority is pissed off too much, it can only backfire. This Inn was a secret homosexual bar which bribed police officers to look the other way so that it could continue operating without a liquor license and in violation of public indecency laws. It was owned by the Genovese mafia, the police were performing their normal job in trying to shut it down but got rioting.
It shouldn't matter in my view, that it was the only gay bar in NYC at the time, where dancing was allowed. The fact is that non-cisgender people could've gone to any bar within NYC if they were sufficiently closeted or within the norms of the majority.
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:43 pm
Kowani wrote:You are aware of the concept of martyrdom, no?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:51 pm
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:57 pm
Kowani wrote:Oh, I myself would not. I am more effective in other ways. However, the effectiveness of martyrs, even one’s whose causes would be otherwise hopeless, is well known.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Heloin » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:58 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:59 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:02 pm
Arcturus Novus wrote:Why don't we avoid comparing angry LGBT people to antisemitic terrorists?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Arcturus Novus » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:10 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
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