Homeless shelters in US may soon be able to deny transgender

[Myrensis]

In the end this shouldn't even be a debate about the "arguments" against transexuality, but the fact that the government is abandoning people, kicking people who are already down and with nowhere to fucking go, little or nothing to eat, and perhaps unemployed as well. Where's that fucking "MAGA" shit now? How is America reclaiming her glory by neglecting her own?

This isn't nationalism, this is pretty pandering. Where are those Christian mores the Republicans talk up?

These are the morals of Republican Christians. They hit on a rather clever scheme quite a few years back where they declared that abortion and homosexuality (and by extension trans people) are the only sins that make Jesus really mad, all others are negotiable..if you're a Republican.

This is why they can enthusiastically support Trump, in spite of his long life of inveterate, wholly unrepentant sin, because look! he's shitting on trans people and gays! That proves that he really is a righteous champion of good Christian values, deep down!

That is also why he does it. This policy has fuck all to do with protecting anyone in homeless shelters, just like his military trans ban had fuck all to do with military preparedness or cost. It's all just red meat to keep the Evangelicals spreading their legs.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In the end this shouldn't even be a debate about the "arguments" against transexuality, but the fact that the government is abandoning people, kicking people who are already down and with nowhere to fucking go, little or nothing to eat, and perhaps unemployed as well. Where's that fucking "MAGA" shit now? How is America reclaiming her glory by neglecting her own?

This isn't nationalism, this is pretty pandering. Where are those Christian mores the Republicans talk up?

These are the morals of Republican Christians. They hit on a rather clever scheme quite a few years back where they declared that abortion and homosexuality (and by extension trans people) are the only sins that make Jesus really mad, all others are negotiable..if you're a Republican.

This is why they can enthusiastically support Trump, in spite of his long life of inveterate, wholly unrepentant sin, because look! he's shitting on trans people and gays! That proves that he really is a righteous champion of good Christian values, deep down!

That is also why he does it. This policy has fuck all to do with protecting anyone in homeless shelters, just like his military trans ban had fuck all to do with military preparedness or cost. It's all just red meat to keep the Evangelicals spreading their legs.

This seemed to have been started under Obama.

[Grenartia]

In the end this shouldn't even be a debate about the "arguments" against transexuality, but the fact that the government is abandoning people, kicking people who are already down and with nowhere to fucking go, little or nothing to eat, and perhaps unemployed as well. Where's that fucking "MAGA" shit now? How is America reclaiming her glory by neglecting her own?

This isn't nationalism, this is pretty pandering. Where are those Christian mores the Republicans talk up?

These are the morals of Republican Christians. They hit on a rather clever scheme quite a few years back where they declared that abortion and homosexuality (and by extension trans people) are the only sins that make Jesus really mad, all others are negotiable..if you're a Republican.

This is why they can enthusiastically support Trump, in spite of his long life of inveterate, wholly unrepentant sin, because look! he's shitting on trans people and gays! That proves that he really is a righteous champion of good Christian values, deep down!

That is also why he does it. This policy has fuck all to do with protecting anyone in homeless shelters, just like his military trans ban had fuck all to do with military preparedness or cost. It's all just red meat to keep the Evangelicals spreading their legs.

Absolutely fucking this.

These are the morals of Republican Christians. They hit on a rather clever scheme quite a few years back where they declared that abortion and homosexuality (and by extension trans people) are the only sins that make Jesus really mad, all others are negotiable..if you're a Republican.

This is why they can enthusiastically support Trump, in spite of his long life of inveterate, wholly unrepentant sin, because look! he's shitting on trans people and gays! That proves that he really is a righteous champion of good Christian values, deep down!

That is also why he does it. This policy has fuck all to do with protecting anyone in homeless shelters, just like his military trans ban had fuck all to do with military preparedness or cost. It's all just red meat to keep the Evangelicals spreading their legs.

This seemed to have been started under Obama.

The policy that is being overturned was started under Obama.

[Nova Cyberia]

Why should those be single-sex?

Because people in those shelters have real reasons not to want to meet the opposite sex.
However, the law should require equal provisions.

Just devote separate areas of the building to men and women. I mean, there's not enough men's abuse shelters as is.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because people in those shelters have real reasons not to want to meet the opposite sex.
However, the law should require equal provisions.

Just devote separate areas of the building to men and women. I mean, there's not enough men's abuse shelters as is.

I agree.

[Nova Cyberia]

Just devote separate areas of the building to men and women. I mean, there's not enough men's abuse shelters as is.

I agree.

You are strong and wise, and I am very proud of you.

[Wallenburg]

Because people in those shelters have real reasons not to want to meet the opposite sex.
However, the law should require equal provisions.

Just devote separate areas of the building to men and women. I mean, there's not enough men's abuse shelters as is.

^This ffs. It's about as absurd to claim that housing men and women in the same shelter will produce abuse as it is to claim that coed dormitories produce abuse. There are these things called rooms, which subdivide a building into sections you can put either men or women in.

[Hediacrana]

These are the morals of Republican Christians. They hit on a rather clever scheme quite a few years back where they declared that abortion and homosexuality (and by extension trans people) are the only sins that make Jesus really mad, all others are negotiable..if you're a Republican.

This is why they can enthusiastically support Trump, in spite of his long life of inveterate, wholly unrepentant sin, because look! he's shitting on trans people and gays! That proves that he really is a righteous champion of good Christian values, deep down!

That is also why he does it. This policy has fuck all to do with protecting anyone in homeless shelters, just like his military trans ban had fuck all to do with military preparedness or cost. It's all just red meat to keep the Evangelicals spreading their legs.

Absolutely fucking this.

Yup. And if you happen to be a Christian trans person with pro-Trump Evangelicals in the family, it makes family gatherings really interesting in all the wrong ways.

[Salus Maior]

So, only single sex shelters, which already discriminate by sex.

Again, "by sex". Transgenders haven't switched their actual sex, rather displaying a preferred gender. So it is valid to discriminate towards them on the basis of sex, if sex is something that's already being discriminated on.

After all, transgenders and their advocates themselves say that sex and gender are different things. And will not deny that most transgenders are still their biological sex.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Beacuse of there vast financhal ties to the right and there own idological bias there is no way that there research was not allready made invald by there confermation biais.

Good Lord, this is a classic genetic fallacy. I don't throw out the studies of progressive and green institutions and professors willy-nilly just because I disagree with their politics.

Institutions and professors are not think tanks.

Big difference.

[Necroghastia]

So, only single sex shelters, which already discriminate by sex.

Again, "by sex". Transgenders haven't switched their actual sex, rather displaying a preferred gender. So it is valid to discriminate towards them on the basis of sex, if sex is something that's already being discriminated on.

After all, transgenders and their advocates themselves say that sex and gender are different things. And will not deny that most transgenders are still their biological sex.

(Image)

An old image, obviously, but unfortunately still relevant.

Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is obviously a horrible idea from the Trump administration. I propose that in order for this not to be a problem at all, single-gender homeless shelters should be phased out in general. There's no need for them unless you believe either men or women to be dangerous to the opposite gender.

[Salus Maior]

So, only single sex shelters, which already discriminate by sex.

Again, "by sex". Transgenders haven't switched their actual sex, rather displaying a preferred gender. So it is valid to discriminate towards them on the basis of sex, if sex is something that's already being discriminated on.

After all, transgenders and their advocates themselves say that sex and gender are different things. And will not deny that most transgenders are still their biological sex.

(Image)

An old image, obviously, but unfortunately still relevant.

Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?

I would say they can go to non-sex specific shelters, if they exist (hopefully they do).

Also, literally anyone can make an image like that and put whatever captions they want on it. I have no idea who either of those people are, and neither do you.

[Grenartia]

I would say they can go to non-sex specific shelters, if they exist (hopefully they do).

Also, literally anyone can make an image like that and put whatever captions they want on it. I have no idea who either of those people are, and neither do you.

That's a suspiciously specific denial. Something tells me you wouldn't have said that last sentence if you didn't know they were porn actors.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Solve the homeless problem. Instead of handwringing over what homeless shelters do, we need to be stopping the system that forces people to be homeless.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Solve the homeless problem. Instead of handwringing over what homeless shelters do, we need to be stopping the system that forces people to be homeless.

Did someone say khrushchyovka?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Solve the homeless problem. Instead of handwringing over what homeless shelters do, we need to be stopping the system that forces people to be homeless.

Did someone say khrushchyovka?

Based and redpilled, fellow commie-block aficionado.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Based and redpilled, fellow commie-block aficionado.

Where we're going, we won't need lifts.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Based and redpilled, fellow commie-block aficionado.

Where we're going, we won't need lifts.

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

[Kowani]

Where we're going, we won't need lifts.

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

You’re not wrong in that we need to fix the system, but we can’t neglect those who fall through the cracks now, either.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

You’re not wrong in that we need to fix the system, but we can’t neglect those who fall through the cracks now, either.

That's true, but we could solve this problem with relatively little effort in a fairly quick period of time. There would need to be a period of adjustment, yes, but if we started now and really dedicated something to it, we could easily solve the homelessness crisis by 2022.

[Salus Maior]

That's a suspiciously specific denial. Something tells me you wouldn't have said that last sentence if you didn't know they were porn actors.

Denial of what? I'm not denying anything, I'm pointing out that posting a picture of people with a caption (Like so) isn't evidence of anything. Because literally anyone can write whatever they want paired with whatever picture. So there's no reason for me (or anyone) to take it seriously. You know, exactly what I said.

And, like I said, I honestly have no idea who either of those people are and I have no reason to believe that these people are who the caption says they are. But if you want to accuse me of something (since you're obviously reaching hard for that) go right ahead and be straightforward about it.

[Wallenburg]

Where we're going, we won't need lifts.

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

The root cause of homelessness--the capitalist system in which your value as a person is determined by your wallet--isn't really the topic of the thread, though. The topic is the exclusion of an already heavily oppressed group from even the most meager of assistance programs. While the capitalist structures still exist, it is entirely relevant and reasonable to discuss such issues.

[Salus Maior]

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

The root cause of homelessness--the capitalist system in which your value as a person is determined by your wallet--isn't really the topic of the thread, though. The topic is the exclusion of an already heavily oppressed group from even the most meager of assistance programs. While the capitalist structures still exist, it is entirely relevant and reasonable to discuss such issues.

Actually, only certain ones potentially.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I just think it's ridiculous that we're wording an issue about people being forced into the streets by economics as if it's socially conservative values that are the main enemy and not the system that makes homeless shelters necessary in the first place. If people are being thrown out of their homes for being trans, we can tackle that too, certainly, but we need to do better than just a social safety net for a system that requires large numbers of people to fail.

The root cause of homelessness--the capitalist system in which your value as a person is determined by your wallet--isn't really the topic of the thread, though. The topic is the exclusion of an already heavily oppressed group from even the most meager of assistance programs. While the capitalist structures still exist, it is entirely relevant and reasonable to discuss such issues.

Our goal shouldn't be to make homelessness tolerable so we don't have to step over homeless people on our commutes, it should be to eliminate homelessness. Talking about how to fix homeless shelters is like talking about trying to fix homeopathy.