Props for at least being brave enough to admit your ideas would cause vast human suffering and still sticking to it.
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by Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 11:27 am
by Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 11:27 am
Jebslund wrote:Kowani wrote:A robot can do all of those jobs, and cheaper than a person can. Heck, the only ones that we’d still need people for today would be the repairmen for really complex jobs, ‘cause delicate servos are expensive, and perhaps the admen/salesmen while we get past the uncanny valley.
A robot can't caption calls. Not to any useful degree of accuracy. That requires the ability to make inferences, and a manner of thinking that allows for gray areas between "=true" and "=false" that computers simply cannot do, and will not be able to do until we fundamentally change the way they work.
by Jebslund » Sun May 26, 2019 11:34 am
Kowani wrote:Jebslund wrote:A robot can't caption calls. Not to any useful degree of accuracy. That requires the ability to make inferences, and a manner of thinking that allows for gray areas between "=true" and "=false" that computers simply cannot do, and will not be able to do until we fundamentally change the way they work.
Ah. As if right now, that’s true. However, the computer and artificial intelligence is ever evolving, and although it is not close to being done, it is not implausible. Nor is it feasible for everyone to work by captioning calls.
by Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 11:35 am
Thermodolia wrote:CHUCK NORRlS wrote:Probably for the same reason (or lack thereof) why the human race has existed for more than 200,000 years?
What I’m saying is that if the robots are smart enough to repair themselves, engineer, and design themselves and manufacture themselves without human input than there is no real reason for the robots to continue service to humans. And therefore there’s no reason why robots won’t remove humans from government and all other parts of life.
Human artists would be the next to go as robots would at that point be able to make art just as good/even better than humans
by Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 11:40 am
Jebslund wrote:Kowani wrote:Ah. As if right now, that’s true. However, the computer and artificial intelligence is ever evolving, and although it is not close to being done, it is not implausible. Nor is it feasible for everyone to work by captioning calls.
Not close is an understatement. Barring some kind of freak breakthrough, we're centuries from developing computers capable of doing so. And that limitation applies to every field requiring soft skills, too. Machines are many things, but flexible is not one of them, and there are jobs for which flexibility is needed.
by Jebslund » Sun May 26, 2019 11:42 am
Kowani wrote:Laughs in nanotechnology.
by Sasebo Naval District » Sun May 26, 2019 11:43 am
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by -Ocelot- » Sun May 26, 2019 11:53 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Seriously though inflation would go through the roof. The current welfare system costs 1/6th of of this proposal. I'm left leaning but shit like this is why I dislike the new reactionary far left.
by Torisakia » Sun May 26, 2019 1:04 pm
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by Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 1:06 pm
Ifreann wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.
I guess we'll have to change society then.Thermodolia wrote:What I’m saying is that if the robots are smart enough to repair themselves, engineer, and design themselves and manufacture themselves without human input than there is no real reason for the robots to continue service to humans. And therefore there’s no reason why robots won’t remove humans from government and all other parts of life.
Human artists would be the next to go as robots would at that point be able to make art just as good/even better than humans
Is this actually the real reason you want to ban automation? Fear of a sci-fi robot uprising? A zeroth law revolution?
by Satterthwaite » Sun May 26, 2019 1:07 pm
by Chestaan » Sun May 26, 2019 1:13 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Ifreann wrote:I guess we'll have to change society then.
Is this actually the real reason you want to ban automation? Fear of a sci-fi robot uprising? A zeroth law revolution?
No. It’s because they are a national security issue and they will cause mass unrest due to the massive amounts of unemployed people
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 1:16 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Kowani wrote:Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.
In a way never seen before. When we settled down into farming the former hunters and other tribe members had new occupations. When the industrial age began we could move into the factory lines. But with truly mass scale automation? You're worthless. Mostly everyone is, and most of the wealth created by that system isn't going to flow into your hands, it's going to flow into Amazon, Walmart, McDonalds etc etc. Without serious societal revamping beforehand automation would be a disaster that would lead to vast amounts of unrest.
by Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 1:30 pm
and they will cause mass unrest due to the massive amounts of unemployed people
by Chestaan » Sun May 26, 2019 1:46 pm
Ifreann wrote:[and they will cause mass unrest due to the massive amounts of unemployed people
Why would unemployment cause unrest if we have robots providing for the material needs of the unemployed?
by Purpelia » Sun May 26, 2019 2:53 pm
Ifreann wrote:Why would unemployment cause unrest if we have robots providing for the material needs of the unemployed?
by CHUCK NORRlS » Sun May 26, 2019 3:16 pm
Torisakia wrote:Spend it all within 5 minutes like I do with all the money I get.
The idea of Yang and UBI makes me almost, almost want to consider voting. But then I remember that anything a presidential candidate "promises" never actually gets done so in the long run it's pointless.
Esternial wrote:I'm working on getting my motorcycle license and it ain't cheap - and I don't even have a motorcycle yet.
So it'll probably go to that.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun May 26, 2019 3:36 pm
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by Ifreann » Sun May 26, 2019 4:02 pm
Chestaan wrote:Ifreann wrote:[
Why would unemployment cause unrest if we have robots providing for the material needs of the unemployed?
Yeah see this is the point and it's why socialists oppose Luddism/Luddites. Less work producing the same or greater output should mean a better quality of life for everyone. If the system gets in the way of that then the system needs to be changed. Having to suppress technological progress that has the ability to better everyone's quality of life is absurd.
Purpelia wrote:Ifreann wrote:Why would unemployment cause unrest if we have robots providing for the material needs of the unemployed?
Mostly because the people who have invested billions into developing those robots, building them and buying them have zero interest in handing out the products of their labor for free. It's the same reason why capitalists won't pay us workers more a tiny fraction of the money we actually produce working for them.
by Krasny-Volny » Sun May 26, 2019 4:08 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:$1000? Barely pay off bills and necessities.
On the plus side, all the money from work can be used for investing and/or leisure.
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