Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?
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by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:35 pm
by Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:36 pm
by Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 3:38 pm
Torrocca wrote:
Of course. But at the same time, we just have to trust that you and Proct both are being truthful in never having seen it happen, am I right?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Proctopeo » Tue May 21, 2019 3:40 pm
Do you actually have a source for anyone using the term trap to degrade transgender people? I could find you a link to someone using the word faggot hatefully, to someone using the word nigger hatefully, Proctopeo claims to have never seen this occur with transgender people which has led me to notice I've never seen it either.
Well, I've had it used against me hatefully, for a first-hand source to start with, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that.
by Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 3:43 pm
Cekoviu wrote:At least you're honest?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Neutraligon » Tue May 21, 2019 3:51 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Cekoviu wrote:At least you're honest?
Why would I be dishonest? I don't care about your personal experiences or really anything you can't link to. As far as I can tell people mostly use the word trap to refer to cisgender men and occasionally to transgender people who like the appellation. I don't think I'd have to look very hard for a hate post featuring the word nigger being used in a hostile fashion.
by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:54 pm
by The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 3:56 pm
by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 3:57 pm
The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/
Well here's a lovely thread.
... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.
I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.
Not getting what the joke is though.
by Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm
The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/
Well here's a lovely thread.
... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.
I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.
Not getting what the joke is though.
by The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm
Torrocca wrote:The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/
Well here's a lovely thread.
... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.
I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.
Not getting what the joke is though.
r/Drama's being completely unironic.
One of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find. you think [slur]town was bad? That subreddit, if you pick up on the dog-whistles (and many don't even bother with that-- say want you want about Stormfront, at least it bans "n[slur]"), will reveal itself to you as Reddit's number one hub for the web's most hardened Nazis, Klansmen, Fascists, and Gamergaters.
by Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:00 pm
Neutraligon wrote:And we should care about your experience when it comes to how the word is used when you can't link to it...why?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 4:01 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Torrocca wrote:
r/Drama's being completely unironic.One of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find. you think [slur]town was bad? That subreddit, if you pick up on the dog-whistles (and many don't even bother with that-- say want you want about Stormfront, at least it bans "n[slur]"), will reveal itself to you as Reddit's number one hub for the web's most hardened Nazis, Klansmen, Fascists, and Gamergaters.
Oh how Poe's Law has never been so true.
by The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 4:02 pm
by Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 4:03 pm
Cekoviu wrote:The Rich Port wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/6pphld/tranny_tricks_man_in_to_sex_murders_xir_absolute/
Well here's a lovely thread.
... I think it doesn't help that I can't tell whether this reddit and/or the thread itself are being ironic.
I don't really frequent Reddit so who knows, maybe I'm being clowned on.
Not getting what the joke is though.
No, /r/drama is basically Kiwifarms/Encyclopaedia Dramatica but on Reddit if I'm remembering right (haven't used reddit in 2+ years). It's toxic af.
by The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 4:05 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:Cekoviu wrote:No, /r/drama is basically Kiwifarms/Encyclopaedia Dramatica but on Reddit if I'm remembering right (haven't used reddit in 2+ years). It's toxic af.
Comparing that to KF is kinda silly though. If the description is anything to go by, r/Drama is the type of thing that would be made fun of on Kiwi Farms just for being full of too-edgy Alt-Lite lolcows and weirdos.
Encyclopedia Dramatica? Eh, maybe a better comparison. ED is kinda dumb IMO.
by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:06 pm
and three people saying don't use the word.
by Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:11 pm
Torrocca wrote:Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite?
How many more trans people need to say it's a slur toward trans people before you realize that maybe you're wrong, perchance?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 4:12 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Rostavykhan wrote:
Comparing that to KF is kinda silly though. If the description is anything to go by, r/Drama is the type of thing that would be made fun of on Kiwi Farms just for being full of too-edgy Alt-Lite lolcows and weirdos.
Encyclopedia Dramatica? Eh, maybe a better comparison. ED is kinda dumb IMO.
KiwiFarms isn't exactly free and clear when it comes to A-logs and insanity, they'll admit it themselves.
by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:17 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Torrocca wrote:Well that certainly makes its use in reference to a trans character "trapping" a dude into sex a-okay, amirite?
How many more trans people need to say it's a slur toward trans people before you realize that maybe you're wrong, perchance?
Reading the description it's not about trapping anyone into sex it's about getting stuck at a party with someone.
I am shocked at how many fucking times I told you I don't care,
it doesn't matter, and it's totally irrelevant.
I thought we were in a good place, that you got this? I don't care.
If trap is ever used to insult transgender people it's exceedingly rare.
by Des-Bal » Tue May 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.
And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Cappuccina » Tue May 21, 2019 4:31 pm
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:31 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.
And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.
Tricked does not appear in the description "trapped on the thirty-third floor" does.
The gender of the person making the determination as to whether or not a word is a slur does not matter one little bit. Nigger isn't a slur because black people say so it's a slur because it's principle use is to denigrate and insult. Transgender people aren't even the party principally being called traps. You can rant and rave all you like, I have told you several times I don't care how many people on the internet are mad about a thing, I don't care how many groups are up in arms about it- that doesn't prove it's real.
You are on the internet and when I asked you to point to someone using the word hatefully you came up with a pornographer who is probably transgender herself using repetition in a title.
by Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 4:35 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Torrocca wrote:
I like how the title and the description that the main character is getting "tricked" into sleeping with a trans girl is utterly irrelevant, here.
And you know what? I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck that you don't care; your care or lack thereof is utterly, entirely fucking irrelevant to the fact that trap is a slur to trans people.
Tricked does not appear in the description "trapped on the thirty-third floor" does.
The gender of the person making the determination as to whether or not a word is a slur does not matter one little bit. Nigger isn't a slur because black people say so it's a slur because it's principle use is to denigrate and insult.
Transgender people aren't even the party principally being called traps.
You can rant and rave all you like, I have told you several times I don't care how many people on the internet are mad about a thing,
I don't care how many groups are up in arms about it- that doesn't prove it's real.
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