Jack Thomas Lang wrote:This isn't censorship and there's nothing wrong with ATP's choice.
How is it not censorship? From my perspective it's that or it's simple cowardice.
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by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:26 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:This isn't censorship and there's nothing wrong with ATP's choice.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 pm
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:30 pm
Rostavykhan wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:Who said anything about hate? Also it's to balance things out, make sure the same standard is being kept.
By the same logic, because Arthur had an episode that was meant to represent 9/11 and how everyone deals with trauma differently, then it should have an episode portraying Islamic Terrorism and the fight against American imperialism to balance things out.
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:31 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:Gormwood wrote:So how can you show anti-SSM views on a children's cartoon without delving into bigotry and stereotypes?
By presenting the view point of the major religious groupings in America. Believe it or not, not everyone opposed to SSM, at least on the basis of morality etc happens to think it's this big evil thing that needs to be stamped out with fire and brimstone.
by Mushet » Tue May 21, 2019 3:32 pm
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:32 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:By presenting the view point of the major religious groupings in America. Believe it or not, not everyone opposed to SSM, at least on the basis of morality etc happens to think it's this big evil thing that needs to be stamped out with fire and brimstone.
I think Gormwood may have somehow stuttered over a text based medium. They said without delving into bigotry and stereotypes.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:33 pm
Mushet wrote:Wow, Arthur is still running?
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:34 pm
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:35 pm
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:43 pm
by Neutraligon » Tue May 21, 2019 3:47 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:Gormwood wrote:So how can you show anti-SSM views on a children's cartoon without delving into bigotry and stereotypes?
By presenting the view point of the major religious groupings in America. Believe it or not, not everyone opposed to SSM, at least on the basis of morality etc happens to think it's this big evil thing that needs to be stamped out with fire and brimstone.
by The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 3:48 pm
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:49 pm
by Thermodolia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:49 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Diopolis wrote:....Because they're opposed to homosexuality? It's not complicated. They don't want drug use presented to children either.
Actually yes I do, because there are children watching who have parents who are drug addicts, who are alcoholic and who have to deal with that stuff every day. A good kids show acknowledges that and tries to show kids methods of coping with those facts of reality.
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:50 pm
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 3:51 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:By presenting the view point of the major religious groupings in America. Believe it or not, not everyone opposed to SSM, at least on the basis of morality etc happens to think it's this big evil thing that needs to be stamped out with fire and brimstone.
Should they also show that some people are religiously against interracial marriage in a positive light?
by Neutraligon » Tue May 21, 2019 3:53 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Actually yes I do, because there are children watching who have parents who are drug addicts, who are alcoholic and who have to deal with that stuff every day. A good kids show acknowledges that and tries to show kids methods of coping with those facts of reality.
Sesame Street is very good at this. They’ve had several different families on air, I remember one episode delt with divorce
by Neutraligon » Tue May 21, 2019 3:54 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Should they also show that some people are religiously against interracial marriage in a positive light?
I mean there isn't a solid case for that, but if a program made one and then a region of the USA said "No, we don't think that'd go down well here" and refused to air it on their channel I also wouldn't bat an eyelash over it.
by Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:57 pm
Even if it's mainly due to religious opposition as a result of trying to follow God's declarations on the matter because you happen to think that morality isn't entirely subjective.
Also it was mainly to point out that OP wouldn't care if it was "censored" had it been anti-SSM.
by Maydona » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:There's no point, considering it's obvious you'll consider any position that is anti-SSM to be based upon hatred and bigotry. Even if it's mainly due to religious opposition as a result of trying to follow God's declarations on the matter because you happen to think that morality isn't entirely subjective.
by Highever » Tue May 21, 2019 4:04 pm
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by Salus Maior » Tue May 21, 2019 4:10 pm
San Lumen wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
This is a frankly bigoted viewpoint. APT owes you nothing. The people of Alabama owe you nothing.
Should the people of Alabama protest the decision then sure.
How is it bigoted? Air the episode and if parents are upset then that's their right. The tv channel should not be pandering to bigotry.
If the character and his husband feature in later episodes are they going to censor it too?
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 4:13 pm
Maydona wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:There's no point, considering it's obvious you'll consider any position that is anti-SSM to be based upon hatred and bigotry. Even if it's mainly due to religious opposition as a result of trying to follow God's declarations on the matter because you happen to think that morality isn't entirely subjective.
Can you give an actual rational reason supported by evidence
by Salus Maior » Tue May 21, 2019 4:20 pm
Maydona wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:There's no point, considering it's obvious you'll consider any position that is anti-SSM to be based upon hatred and bigotry. Even if it's mainly due to religious opposition as a result of trying to follow God's declarations on the matter because you happen to think that morality isn't entirely subjective.
Can you give an actual rational reason supported by evidence why SSM is bad rather than making a faith-based argument? Not everyone shares the same faith and to argue on that ground wont further the discussion because you've gone into an argument with your mind already made up rather than analyzing new facts and evidence presented to you.
Explain to me the harmful or negative effects of a kid watching two fictional characters getting married.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 21, 2019 4:20 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Napkizemlja wrote:I mean there isn't a solid case for that, but if a program made one and then a region of the USA said "No, we don't think that'd go down well here" and refused to air it on their channel I also wouldn't bat an eyelash over it.
So what if there is not a solid case for that, it is an opinion people hold due to religious reasons. Would you bat an eye at a program that simply had a scene of an interracial marriage and the publicly funded channel refused to air it simply because it had that scene in it?
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