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by Jack Thomas Lang » Mon May 20, 2019 11:08 pm
by Hanafuridake » Tue May 21, 2019 12:00 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 21, 2019 12:09 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 2:03 am
Hanafuridake wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.
by Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 2:37 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.
An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:06 am
by Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 3:06 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.
An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.
by Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:11 am
Benuty wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.
The wokepill doesn’t look good on you.
An aggressive ideology that people know will prime a country for the sake of war kind of does. Perhaps if the old European allies had a little more use for their spines they might have beat the Germans into submission. It was pretty easy to do legally when Hitler started to not even feign to adhere to the treaty of Versailles. Instead they let a rabid dog out of the cage, and it killed millions.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:12 am
Benuty wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:An aggressive ideology taking hold in a country does not give people opposed to that ideology license to invade that country.
The wokepill doesn’t look good on you.
An aggressive ideology that people know will prime a country for the sake of war kind of does. Perhaps if the old European allies had a little more use for their spines they might have beat the Germans into submission. It was pretty easy to do legally when Hitler started to not even feign to adhere to the treaty of Versailles. Instead they let a rabid dog out of the cage, and it killed millions.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 6:53 am
Hanafuridake wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.
It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.
by Fahran » Tue May 21, 2019 10:24 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a different story when that country starts to invade other countries.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 21, 2019 10:32 am
Fahran wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
by Fahran » Tue May 21, 2019 10:32 am
Rostavykhan wrote:TBH either way the Allies messed up.
The only reasonable treatment after WWI would be to split Europe. Everything west of Berlin to France, everything east to Russia.
by Fahran » Tue May 21, 2019 10:34 am
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.
by Old Tyrannia » Tue May 21, 2019 10:48 am
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.
Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 21, 2019 10:53 am
Old Tyrannia wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.
Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.
If your own ideas sound like something a supervillain would come up with, even to you, that's probably a good indication that you should rethink them.
by Bear Stearns » Tue May 21, 2019 11:21 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue May 21, 2019 11:52 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
On traditional media fronts, the Right has absolutely lost the cultural war.
Where we have the advantage is online. Remember the campaign to get Instagram thots to pay income taxes?
by Diopolis » Tue May 21, 2019 12:24 pm
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
Alternatively, we could drug the water supply to ensure docility and compliance. Then we will all be happy cogs in the great harmonious clockwork that is a properly-arranged society, and there will be peace on Earth for once, instead of the discordant strife we have now.
Btw, do I seem... supervillain-ish? My apologies if that is the case.
by Diopolis » Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm
Fahran wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 2:39 pm
Diopolis wrote:Fahran wrote:We need to challenge social progressives in media, entertainment, academia, and in every broader cultural dialogue. The trick is not to treat it like propaganda, however. We need to pursue the route laid out for us by such great conservative minds as T. S. Eliot and Russell Kirk, tactfully, artfully, and with authenticity. Really, if many of the ideas proposed by the political left didn't blatantly run afoul of the public's moral sensibilities, we would be at an even more dramatic and severe disadvantage. We've begun allowing them to dictate what morality is, what art is, and what institutions matter. We've surrendered the media and the universities to them. We've surrendered novels, poetry, music, and television to them in many respects. That cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely.
It's not quite that bad- novels are still pretty split, and television is declining anyways.
by Rostavykhan » Tue May 21, 2019 2:48 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:Some of you may have heard of TLC's show Sister Wives but what you may not have heard of, however, is that the show probably is why support for Polygamy increased by 10% among the general populace. I think the Right really needs to get back into the business of social programming, and remember how effective propaganda can be even with modern audiences. I think we've grown too complacent from realizing, say, WWII propaganda no longer resonates like it once did and then applied that lesson to all propaganda. The underlying psychology hasn't changed, you just need more effective usage of it. Hell, you can even use the Left's own rhetoric against them: see the recent "Sex Strike" some blue checkmarks on Twitter have been advocating over the new Abortion Laws. Even Boomers seemed to grasp the value of that in a way, in that it would discourage promiscuity among young women; get the messaging right and amplify that.
On traditional media fronts, the Right has absolutely lost the cultural war.
Where we have the advantage is online. Remember the campaign to get Instagram thots to pay income taxes?
by Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 21, 2019 3:26 pm
Novus America wrote:Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.
Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue May 21, 2019 3:46 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 21, 2019 3:50 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Novus America wrote:Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.
Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.
I disagree, the intervention would have worked if the Entente was willing to use their troops on a frontline role outside of the Northern Front. Their unwillingness to expand the role of their troops from garrison duty and training was their downfall. General Graves of the American interventionists in Siberia was particularly passive, contrary to the State Department's desire for more aggressive intervention.
The Entente didn't need Germany's help, they just needed a spine.
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