The Black Hawks | Celebrating Twenty One Years Of Havoc

[Vetelo]

Why is this still a thing. It's not even an interesting thing to be dredging on. Has anyone taken Vult in and raised him up to be honest and reasonable yet? Can we move on to that part?

is there anything else that is new on NSGP? Its like the only other topic besides the whole khanter thing.

The gameplay community thrives on drama, and in my years on NS, it always has. Though recently I think there's been a lack of drama because it has taken its toll on everyone. It forces players caught up in the drama to make a choice, leave the game or isolate themselves and put up with it. Because face it, most people would rather not deal with it. Nobody comes to NS for drama except for fendas, moderates, and career players. Those types of people thrive in the mess that has been left post-Predator, and it is slowly but surely killing the platform. My region thankfully has reverted back to its isolationist roots, protecting us from those toxic players. Those communities that adapt to changing circumstances stand a chance at continuing their legacy, whether that be onsite or offsite. The lack of drama is theoretically a good thing, but NS has become so backwards that it's actually somehow not. Without drama, the game becomes stagnant. The drama that exists is stale, arbitrary, and often completely meaningless. I'm not even sure it can be fixed at this point. I guess the next few years will decide if that's possible.

[Jar Wattinree]

Without drama, the game becomes stagnant. The drama that exists is stale, arbitrary, and often completely meaningless. I'm not even sure it can be fixed at this point. I guess the next few years will decide if that's possible.

You are correct, it will take nothing less than time to fix it, and even then it will remain. But while the current generation of players inhabit NSGP, these problems will not be fixed; it has gotten even to the point where one no longer can distinguish between "blacklisting" and ordinary bans for unacceptable behavior. No matter how well some sugarcoat it, this is the perception that I've come to hold.

[RiderSyl]

As long as the current prominent players are on this game, there wont be any shift in attitude.

But while the current generation of players inhabit NSGP, these problems will not be fixed

I want to know who cheated off whose paper here.

[Kurnugia]

As long as the current prominent players are on this game, there wont be any shift in attitude.

But while the current generation of players inhabit NSGP, these problems will not be fixed

I want to know who cheated off whose paper here.

As much as I like to think otherwise, Jar had this stance months before me afaik

[Revall]

Without drama, the game becomes stagnant. The drama that exists is stale, arbitrary, and often completely meaningless. I'm not even sure it can be fixed at this point.

This is why all the cool people have left NS

[Cormactopia Prime]

The last page and a half of this thread: Validly blacklisted people who were blacklisted for good reason, or those who like to associate with such people, complaining about the people who blacklisted them. Because apparently those people are the problem, and not the behavior that led to the blacklisting.

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

[Slitherin Snakes]

The last page and a half of this thread: Validly blacklisted people who were blacklisted for good reason, or those who like to associate with such people, complaining about the people who blacklisted them. Because apparently those people are the problem, and not the behavior that led to the blacklisting.

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

I deserve to be banned from TBH since I leaked the operations and allowed the WFE about otter hunting that hurt Jay and Sini. That is it though. There are hundreds of regions in this game and why should a select few people including yourself be able to decide who should be allowed in any region in game. I still have not received any other valid reasons of what I've done to deserve to be blacklisted from the whole site. If my behavior was as terrible as you and others have said don't you think I would have been made DOS (Koth's wish). I have not, so people should really reevaluate what has been said about me to see the few true things I did and the others that were made up. I have also reached out to TBH's Council on discord for what I've done and they have not stated it. All I have gotten is a few true statements and other false allegations posted by the council. If based on leaking the operations and allowing the WFE to say otter hunting when I wasn't aware of the deeper connection makes you really feel that I deserve blacklisted so be it. But I want it to be on the actual truth of what I've done. Also it was a few days since I was busy with work the previous days to find the proof since people wouldn't believe me without any.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The last page and a half of this thread: Validly blacklisted people who were blacklisted for good reason, or those who like to associate with such people, complaining about the people who blacklisted them. Because apparently those people are the problem, and not the behavior that led to the blacklisting.

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

Retweeting this.

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Of your many fallacies and bits of complete BS, one in particular caught my eye -

If my behavior was as terrible as you and others have said don't you think I would have been made DOS (Koth's wish). I have not, so people should really reevaluate what has been said about me to see the few true things I did and the others that were made up.

This is just plain stupid. "I can toe the line on site, so everything else must be false?" I don't need to begin on the mountain of evidence opposed to this particular theory. There's more than a few folks who should be DoS for the safety of other players and are not; even your personal petty assholery doesn't rise to near that level. While we're at it, might you recall that part of the background for your repeated clashes with other TBH players concerned a different game that you did in fact get banned from, after a series of rants that I'd probably be violating the rules here by characterizing in full, much less posting logs of?

If you're going to continue being an annoying and contradictory twit about the ban from TBH that has perhaps the largest body of evidence of any TBH ban, and was also likely the most overdue, you could at least be half logical about it, and pick examples without rampant counterexamples. But hey, you don't really care about that, I figure - you, like several others here, are more than happy just trying to win some kudos points from drive-by randos, who don't know the wider context, can't be told about it here, and don't have the depth of interest to ask about it where they can actually be told.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I deserve to be banned from TBH since I leaked the operations and allowed the WFE about otter hunting that hurt Jay and Sini. That is it though.

You did more than that, and you know it. You also know most of it can't be discussed here. Let's stop the nonsense.

There are hundreds of regions in this game and why should a select few people including yourself be able to decide who should be allowed in any region in game.

I have no power to decide that. Neither does anyone else, other than the people who run each region. What I and others do have the power to decide, and what we are perfectly entitled to decide, is whether to have anything at all to do with any region that harbors you, and the individuals who make that choice. The same is true of other players who have been blacklisted. So it's up to each region to decide if they want to have a lot fewer folks who will associate with them because of their choice to harbor a validly blacklisted player or players. If they want to do that, they can. No one can stop them. If they choose not to do it, good for them. But you can't make the rest of us associate with regions that harbor you, or associate with you, if we don't want to. We're not going to. There is absolutely no reason anyone should be forced to associate with people they have blacklisted, or those who harbor them.

I still have not received any other valid reasons of what I've done to deserve to be blacklisted from the whole site.

Weird, because a lot of other people have. And so have you. Again, let's stop the nonsense.

If my behavior was as terrible as you and others have said don't you think I would have been made DOS (Koth's wish). I have not, so people should really reevaluate what has been said about me to see the few true things I did and the others that were made up.

No, because like so many folks who have engaged in OOC misbehavior, you keep your behavior off-site so Moderation can't act on it.

I have also reached out to TBH's Council on discord for what I've done and they have not stated it. All I have gotten is a few true statements and other false allegations posted by the council. If based on leaking the operations and allowing the WFE to say otter hunting when I wasn't aware of the deeper connection makes you really feel that I deserve blacklisted so be it. But I want it to be on the actual truth of what I've done. Also it was a few days since I was busy with work the previous days to find the proof since people wouldn't believe me without any.

Maybe it has something to do with them not wanting anything to do with you, and the fact you already know what you've done, because you're the one who did it, and because they've already told you. They're plenty willing to tell others what you've done and back it up with evidence. So let's stop throwing this pity party like you're falsely accused, and mean, awful TBH won't tell you or anyone else what you did. They aren't obligated to continue responding to your demands when you've already been informed in the past what you did, and when you know fully well what you did because you're the one who did it.

No one is obligated to join your pity party. No one is obligated to indulge your complaints about being blacklisted. No one is obligated to believe your hollow apologies while you continue to smear good people who don't deserve it. And no one is going to, no matter how loud you get about it in Gameplay, and no matter how many Atteros, Avakaels, Jars, et al. come out of the woodwork to support you, not even bothering to find out what you did, all because they're salty about some other fully deserved blacklisting. No one here is accountable to you or to them. No one here should feel bad about protecting our communities because of the pity party you and they are throwing. I don't feel bad about it, and I don't care what any of you are saying about it.

[Kurnugia]

The last page and a half of this thread: Validly blacklisted people who were blacklisted for good reason, or those who like to associate with such people, complaining about the people who blacklisted them. Because apparently those people are the problem, and not the behavior that led to the blacklisting.

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

Not complaining about this lol.

It doesn't take a genius however to see that this is the only thing that keeps NSGP running. It isn't a sad statement of the OOC stuff, that stuff seems to work just fine. Rather, it is the IC stuff that is a sad state of affairs. The last big thing in terms of NSGP was the huge pile off between the NPO and the APC. Before it died off a month after it. Then, it was just the APC angrily yelling at the NPO.

[Drop Your Pants]

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

When was Perg blacklisted? Don't remember that one.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Rather, it is the IC stuff that is a sad state of affairs. The last big thing in terms of NSGP was the huge pile off between the NPO and the APC. Before it died off a month after it. Then, it was just the APC angrily yelling at the NPO.

You're complaining in the wrong thread. TBH ain't the ones who are an incessant force for stability and peace and being friends and no risk of losing anything over everything else that're stifling anything interesting. TBH are the ones who actually sparked the thing you cite as the last interesting thing to happen, by having the guts to take a such a risk.

Unless, of course, you expect us to singlehandedly spark everything interesting, in which case, please hold, we're working on it. Oops, now someone else won't work with us. /s

[Kurnugia]

Rather, it is the IC stuff that is a sad state of affairs. The last big thing in terms of NSGP was the huge pile off between the NPO and the APC. Before it died off a month after it. Then, it was just the APC angrily yelling at the NPO.

You're complaining in the wrong thread. TBH ain't the ones who are an incessant force for stability and peace and being friends and no risk of losing anything over everything else that're stifling anything interesting. TBH are the ones who actually sparked the thing you cite as the last interesting thing to happen, by having the guts to take a such a risk.

Fair point.

More of a general complaint. But I cannot dredge all GCR's threads, can't I?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

When was Perg blacklisted? Don't remember that one.

Around the time he concealed Block and Attero, and sought to use Block as a spy against communities that had blacklisted him, I'd imagine.

[Jakker]

There are hundreds of regions in this game and why should a select few people including yourself be able to decide who should be allowed in any region in game. I still have not received any other valid reasons of what I've done to deserve to be blacklisted from the whole site.

Just want to reiterate what the Council did since you seem to be turning this into something else. The Council banned you from TBH and we will no longer work with Vulturret and Sithis due to their involvement in not only allowing you into TRI, but intentionally hiding that. This was a close ally to TBH actively committing an act that allowed someone, who harmed TBH and our members in various ways, to have contact with our community.

TBH has not blacklisted you from the site. In fact, if you were involved in some random region that had no interaction with TBH, I'm sure we wouldn't really care. It is your prerogative if you want to try and dig your heels and try to change the narrative or question the decision. However, all you continue to do is just prove that we made the right call in ensuring that our community has no contact with you.

[Drop Your Pants]

Around the time he concealed Block and Attero, and sought to use Block as a spy against communities that had blacklisted him, I'd imagine.

Didn't know he was blacklisted though. There were no announcements about it, and GP loves it announcements. Learn something new every day....well once a week.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Around the time he concealed Block and Attero, and sought to use Block as a spy against communities that had blacklisted him, I'd imagine.

Didn't know he was blacklisted though. There were no announcements about it, and GP loves it announcements. Learn something new every day....well once a week.

I could be wrong. We don't get memos, there's no newsletter. It's something that is basically decided by each region, and to some degree each person.

In any event, this tangent is super unrelated to TBH's thread, so I'm going to drop it here.

[Tim-Opolis]

The last page and a half of this thread: Validly blacklisted people who were blacklisted for good reason, or those who like to associate with such people, complaining about the people who blacklisted them. Because apparently those people are the problem, and not the behavior that led to the blacklisting.

Honestly, get over yourselves. Yes, Money was blacklisted. So was Attero/Vetelo. So was Pergamon. And they all deserved it, whether you like it or not.

I cannot echo this sentiment any harder. Big up this post.

Around the time he concealed Block and Attero, and sought to use Block as a spy against communities that had blacklisted him, I'd imagine.

Didn't know he was blacklisted though. There were no announcements about it, and GP loves it announcements. Learn something new every day....well once a week.

Pergamon choosing to, for all intents and purposes, quit Nationstates certainly helped with making that a quicker process than expected. I certainly want nothing to do with him, and have made that very clear, as I imagine have many part of the GP community. He lost what remaining shreds of integrity, IC or OOC, when he concealed Block and Attero, and his off-the-rails rants during the whole conflict ensured he went from not only a shunned figure but to almost a meme. There’s nothing left on this game for him..

[Honeydewistania]

The fact is Moneyness, you had many chances to quit your bullshit and apologise, yet you wait a year under a different nation and be a RO in an operation that the region that banned you spent months planning? Now you're "sorry"?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

No one is obligated to join your pity party. No one is obligated to indulge your complaints about being blacklisted. No one is obligated to believe your hollow apologies while you continue to smear good people who don't deserve it. And no one is going to, no matter how loud you get about it in Gameplay, and no matter how many Atteros, Avakaels, Jars, et al. come out of the woodwork to support you, not even bothering to find out what you did, all because they're salty about some other fully deserved blacklisting. No one here is accountable to you or to them. No one here should feel bad about protecting our communities because of the pity party you and they are throwing. I don't feel bad about it, and I don't care what any of you are saying about it.

Point of order, I'm not supporting Moneyness. I saw the evidence about him back when it happened. I was replying to Yuno more specifically about how NS is bad at figuring out what accusations are true, and what aren't.

[Jar Wattinree]

I was replying to Yuno more specifically about how NS is bad at figuring out what accusations are true, and what aren't.

Ditto

[Serboro]

As of May 20, 2019, The Black Hawks officially took over Westphalia, once a large and prosperous region. It has now been refounded as a permanent trophy of TBH. The story of the region is long and detailed, but it now draws to a close. Despite setbacks in the past, The Black Hawks have ultimately demonstrated their power and strength yet again, finishing the job started more than a year ago. We do not forget.

"I'm an existence called "Evil" now. And if evil is supposed to disrupt the divine and be a force of chaos, it's only natural for me to upset the laws of a god."-Akemi Homura

The Black Hawks would like to thank our friends from the Balder Jomsvikings, the Ragerian Armada, the Osiris Sehkmet Legion, the Shining Host of Caer Sidi, the Voltarium Guard, and the Imperial Military of Hartfelden for their help on the operation.

[Lord Dominator]

The uber-boring occupation region is gone, long may it live as a trophy.

[Cataluna]

Goodbye, Westphalia! You won’t be missed

[Armaros]

Happy to hear that Westphalia is finally locked away.