MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Valrifell]

Ah yes the classic simply shouting about how a news source is bad and then failing to show why.

Opinion pieces aren't news.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

Factual reporting is high.

Yeah, but we're talking about opinion pieces. Whole different beast.

Even as you seem to seek denial for your favorite president, here's a Politico article, an article from the Independent, and one from CNBC.

>implying Trump is my "favorite president" just because I don't like WaPo or, especially, opinion pieces
yous is wild

You complained about the source and he kindly provided more. Are you going to engage with the point or dance around it and complain about sources anyway?

[Tarsonis]

Well frankly, you’re not American so you don’t really have the ethos necessary to say what the most pressing issue in American Life is, just like I wouldn’t presume to tell you what the most pressing issue in Filipino life is.

Actually, you can. Probably wrong, but that's a function of your probable unfamiliarity.

Hence why I shouldn’t. That’s what ethos is all about.

[Duhon]

But the facts stated are likely true.

But is their interpretation of the facts?

Transcribing questions and answers consisting of "Correct" seems like a straightforward affair.

[Duhon]

Opinion pieces aren't news.


Yeah, but we're talking about opinion pieces. Whole different beast.


>implying Trump is my "favorite president" just because I don't like WaPo or, especially, opinion pieces
yous is wild

You complained about the source and he kindly provided more. Are you going to engage with the point or dance around it and complain about sources anyway?

I wasn't kind about it, more flabbergasted people will be irked by WaPo opinion pieces even if they quote extensively from courtroom transcriptions.

[Fartsniffage]

Yeah, but we're talking about opinion pieces. Whole different beast.

It's properly worrying that you think that way. Because an opinion piece that is based on reliable facts is far more reliable than an opinion piece based on whatever a person thinks might be facts.

What opinion pieces do you think are worth readings?

[Gormwood]

But the facts stated are likely true.

But is their interpretation of the facts?

Less true than Barr's interpretation of the Mueller Report?

[Tarsonis]

But is their interpretation of the facts?

Transcribing questions and answers consisting of "Correct" seems like a straightforward affair.

Very little of that article is transcription, and most of it is the authors interpretation of the transcription. Look I’m not knocking the WaPo, it’s one of the most reliable publications out there imho. But opinion pieces are subject to bias which can lead to op-eds like this piece of shit I haven’t even dismissed the article, only said I need to read further because op-Ed’s come with grains of salt.

[Tarsonis]

But is their interpretation of the facts?

Less true than Barr's interpretation of the Mueller Report?

Oof that was cringeworthy levels of reaching there gorm.

[Ifreann]

That people don't need a degree is no reason to deny them an education.

It is a reason not to pay for it however

Not really. People aren't widgets in an economic machine that exist only to make employment rates or GDP go up.

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Alright a less egregious example: that sounds a lot to me like “ending our dependence on coal, will put a lot of coal workers out of a job.” The industry my provide jobs, but the damage being done with all these niche topics with regards to student loan debts and unmarketable degrees outweighs the positive effect of all those jobs.

So maybe stop education being a for profit enterprise?

Dangerous socialism.

[Tarsonis]

It is a reason not to pay for it however

Not really. People aren't widgets in an economic machine that exist only to make employment rates or GDP go up.

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So maybe stop education being a for profit enterprise?

Dangerous socialism.

Please this country hasn’t espoused the virtues of classical education for decades

[The Black Forrest]

Not really. People aren't widgets in an economic machine that exist only to make employment rates or GDP go up.

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Dangerous socialism.

Please this country hasn’t espoused the virtues of classical education for decades

Intellectual elitist.

[Ifreann]

Not really. People aren't widgets in an economic machine that exist only to make employment rates or GDP go up.

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Dangerous socialism.

Please this country hasn’t espoused the virtues of classical education for decades

Yes, America has a lot of problems.

[Bombadil]

Ann Coulter..

If you become VERY proficient at English, @realDonaldTrump, someday you will understand the meaning of the word "WALL."

..and..

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

[Duhon]

Ann Coulter..

If you become VERY proficient at English, @realDonaldTrump, someday you will understand the meaning of the word "WALL."

..and..

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

Of course Ann Coulter ain't satisfied. She might be less ot a xenophobe than Stephen Miller, but only by a hair.

[Gormwood]

Ann Coulter..

If you become VERY proficient at English, @realDonaldTrump, someday you will understand the meaning of the word "WALL."

..and..

Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States.

Got to piss on the dead just to needle Donnie into another Shutdown grade impulse drive.

[Conserative Morality]

Please this country hasn’t espoused the virtues of classical education for decades

Yes, America has a lot of problems.

Whenever we try to do so, GOP members emerge from the walls, wiping the tears streaming down their face and talking about how liberals are LITERALLY INDOCTRINATING our YOUNG HELPLESS CHILDREN by teaching them worthless humanities nonsense instead of emphasizing degrees that will get them GOOD HONEST CORPORATE WORK

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Yes, America has a lot of problems.

Whenever we try to do so, GOP members emerge from the walls, wiping the tears streaming down their face and talking about how liberals are LITERALLY INDOCTRINATING our YOUNG HELPLESS CHILDREN by teaching them worthless humanities nonsense instead of emphasizing degrees that will get them GOOD HONEST CORPORATE WORK

TBH, all the good intentions in the world doesn't do much good when you're homeless, poor, and looking for a handout.

A lifegaurd cannot save lives if they themselves cannot swim.

[Duhon]

Whenever we try to do so, GOP members emerge from the walls, wiping the tears streaming down their face and talking about how liberals are LITERALLY INDOCTRINATING our YOUNG HELPLESS CHILDREN by teaching them worthless humanities nonsense instead of emphasizing degrees that will get them GOOD HONEST CORPORATE WORK

TBH, all the good intentions in the world doesn't do much good when you're homeless, poor, and looking for a handout.

A lifegaurd cannot save lives if they themselves cannot swim.

I dunno guys, maybe compromise on this? In this case, all the good does not reside on one side.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

TBH, all the good intentions in the world doesn't do much good when you're homeless, poor, and looking for a handout.

A lifegaurd cannot save lives if they themselves cannot swim.

I dunno guys, maybe compromise on this? In this case, all the good does not reside on one side.

Although if everybody knew how to swim, there wouldn't need to be so many lifegaurds.

Give a man a fish... feed them for a day.
Teach a man to fish...

Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire...

[Bombadil]

I dunno guys, maybe compromise on this? In this case, all the good does not reside on one side.

Although if everybody knew how to swim, there wouldn't need to be so many lifegaurds.

Give a man a fish... feed them for a day.
Teach a man to fish...

Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire...

Give a man a fish... feed them for a day.
Teach a man to fish and they'll sit on a boat all day drinking fucking beer..

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Although if everybody knew how to swim, there wouldn't need to be so many lifegaurds.

Give a man a fish... feed them for a day.
Teach a man to fish...

Give a man a fire, keep him warm for a day.
Set a man on fire...

Give a man a fish... feed them for a day.
Teach a man to fish and they'll sit on a boat all day drinking fucking beer..

Then you didn't teach them right.

If you're competent enough, you can dispense with the bedside-manner and still help people who are hurting.

And it's never lupus.

[Duhon]

Ladies and gentlemen, how about an illustration of American interests being protected and furthered by the Trump administration?

The director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau says the Trump administration's Education Department is getting in the way of efforts to police the student loan industry. The revelation, in a letter obtained by NPR, comes at the same time that lawsuits allege that widespread wrongdoing by student loan companies is costing some borrowers thousands of dollars.

CFPB Director Kathy Kraninger explained the problem in an April letter responding to questions from Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other lawmakers about whether the federal regulator had "abandoned its supervision and enforcement activities" related to more than $1 trillion in student loans.

A central issue is that companies that manage student loans, known as student loan servicers, are refusing to share information that the CFPB says it needs to perform proper oversight.

"Since December 2017," Kraninger wrote in the letter, "student loan servicers have declined to produce information requested by the Bureau for supervisory examinations" related to federal student loans.

She said servicers are not sharing the information because the Department of Education has issued guidance telling them not to do so, citing "privacy" concerns. Kraninger also said that information from student loan servicers is "necessary for supervisory examinations."

The letter is a carefully worded response to senators' questions. But Kraninger, a Trump administration appointee, is in essence saying that the CFPB is trying to do its job protecting student borrowers and supervising loan servicing companies, but the Education Department is getting in the way.

"It's actually quite remarkable," says Seth Frotman, executive director of the nonprofit Student Borrower Protection Center. "The head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is telling the world that the secretary of education has put in place a series of policies that are obstructing federal law enforcement officials from standing up for the millions of Americans with student debt."

Frotman used to be the CFPB's student loan ombudsman but quit last summer over frustrations with the Trump administration. In a scathing resignation letter last August, he said the Trump administration was "turning its back on student borrowers" and preventing him from doing his job.

Now Kraninger, the administration's hand-picked director for the bureau, is pointing the finger, albeit in a less dramatic way, at the Education Department for hindering efforts to protect student borrowers.

In response to Kraninger's letter, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, and three other Democratic senators called the revelations "disturbing" in a round of letters they fired off this week to loan servicing companies.

The lawmakers say in their letters that since Kraninger says the CFPB has attempted to get documents it needs for supervision and been rebuffed by the servicers, that "reveals that the Department under Secretary DeVos, has removed the most potent weapon from the CFPB's arsenal to fight illegal behavior and mistreatment of borrowers by student loan servicers, and that federal student loan servicers, who are paid by the federal government, are ignoring federal regulators' requests for information."

The senators' letters add that no "guidance" from the Department of Education "can absolve servicers of their legal responsibility to comply with state and federal consumer protection law."

At the minimum, it's Betsy DeVos running her fiefdom as expected; education not being one of Trump's interests (unless it happens to cross with his hatred for Obama or immigrants), she's relatively free to not do her job in the same ways someone like Ben Carson, he of the pyramid scumming, fails to do his job: negligence, obstruction, the advocacy of disastrous policies and the revocation of helpful ones.

But given the current CFPB director is herself a Trump appointee, who knows just how deep the rot has gone in this most malevolent of un-American maladministrations?

Moving on:

Last month, 21 state attorneys general sent Education Secretary Betsy DeVos a letter calling on her to "reverse the limitations" the department has placed on student loan servicing companies sharing information with state law enforcement agencies.

The attorneys general said "student loan information is vital to our efforts to protect consumers from illegal, unfair, abusive, or deceptive practices by actors in the higher education industry, in which the Department historically has been an important partner. However, the Department's policy reversal impedes states' ability to enforce the law and shields unprincipled industry actors from regulatory enforcement, harming student loan borrowers nationwide."

The industry group the Student Loan Servicing Alliance told NPR in a statement, "As contractors of the Department of Education which owns its federal student loan data, federal servicers must follow federal law and ED guidance on disclosure and data sharing."

It's not clear why the department is blocking state and federal regulators from getting information from servicers to do oversight presumably aimed at protecting the rights of student borrowers.

Jason Delisle, a fellow at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute, says there may be a turf war going on here. Even if a particular student loan program has problems, Delisle says the department may feel, "this is our program and we're designing it the way we want to design it and we're running it the way we want to run it." And Delisle says if there are problems the department may feel it can sort them out by itself.

Frotman says that's not the issue. He says the Education Department may not like having regulators looking into alleged wrongdoing within the companies managing its loan programs, but "this isn't about reasonable disagreements, it is about following the law versus obstructing law enforcement."

[Duhon]

All people that are illegally coming into the United States now will be removed from our Country at a later date as we build up our removal forces and as the laws are changed. Please do not make yourselves too comfortable, you will be leaving soon!

Or, more succinctly:

Deportations Begin

President Trump Calls for Tripling of ICE Force; Riots Continue

[Gormwood]

Nothing screams "HYPOCRISY!!" like a con artist who employs undocumented migrants in his slums and putt putt courses suddenly talking tough and doing everything inhumanly possible to deport non-white foreigners while bragging about protecting American jobs.

[Duhon]

Nothing screams "HYPOCRISY!!" like a con artist who employs undocumented migrants in his slums and putt putt courses suddenly talking tough and doing everything inhumanly possible to deport non-white foreigners while bragging about protecting American jobs.

Even if he's as straight as an arrow, it still shouldn't happen. The sheer number alone pales the face.