by Kaystein » Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 pm
by USS Monitor » Tue May 14, 2019 10:46 pm
Kaystein wrote:I'd like to suggest expanding an existing rule as a counter to the average griefer that likes to bait newcomers into flaming on the forums, then filing reports here to punish said newcomer.
It's a common occurrence, if this dispatch is credible. I haven't fallen victim to this since creating Kaystein, and I'd want to reduce the chance of that ever happening for any reason.
My suggestion is straightforward, to adopt a zero-tolerance policy regarding flamebaiting. If two people get into an argument, one person reports it and it's visible that the reporting party is the one to initiate the conversation, they get a warning for flamebaiting, regardless of the content. This is to put more responsibility on the involved parties to sort their own mess out, or for anybody involved to abandon the conversation entirely, their failure at doing so would see both players punished when a third party reports them both. No longer would a griefer be able to make a frivolous report in bad faith without consequence to harm others. Reducing the number of reports would allow moderation a few more moments of spare time to scour the forum for more serious threats, increase reaction times to spam, etc.
Mostly it will eliminate the leg of a toxic element in NationStates. Please consider this.
by Jebslund » Wed May 15, 2019 9:13 am
by Frisbeeteria » Wed May 15, 2019 11:09 am
Jebslund wrote:Zero-tolerence policies in general are doomed to fail due to the lack of nuance.
Jebslund wrote:vets having no respect for newcomers
by Jebslund » Wed May 15, 2019 11:49 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:Jebslund wrote:vets having no respect for newcomers
In a game where long-time players often create new puppets on a daily basis, there's zero way to tell a newbie from a veteran. I don't see how anyone can make generalizations about how newbies are treated without knowing their puppetry history.
by Kaystein » Wed May 15, 2019 12:26 pm
USS Monitor wrote:I'm not sure why you're trusting some random dispatch unless this is something you've witnessed firsthand.
That doesn't make sense.
Picture this:
The Sherpa Empire writes: "Sherpas are cooler than Nazis."
The Evil Reich responds with: "You're an idiot! Nazism is way better than anything those useless brutes have ever contributed to humanity."
If the Sherpa Empire reports that, you want them to get a warning for flamebait?
by True Refuge » Wed May 15, 2019 3:12 pm
Kaystein wrote:USS Monitor wrote:I'm not sure why you're trusting some random dispatch unless this is something you've witnessed firsthand.
That doesn't make sense.
Picture this:
The Sherpa Empire writes: "Sherpas are cooler than Nazis."
The Evil Reich responds with: "You're an idiot! Nazism is way better than anything those useless brutes have ever contributed to humanity."
If the Sherpa Empire reports that, you want them to get a warning for flamebait?
Yes, I've seen this behavior first hand, and it wouldn't surprise me if you've been used as a weapon by the player I'm thinking about, USS Monitor.
The reason I suggest this is because i see this problem behavior increasing in frequency.
While it's a poor idea now, there will be a more popular thread, at a later date, created by somebody else more influential when the problem becomes a big enough issue. An idea like this will be suggested in that thread too. I'm certain of this.
When that happens, remember this thread. This suggestion is a simpler solution, even if it's draconian.
That's all for now, I put out my idea and anybody that reads this knows it. I'm content to let this rest for now.
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by The New California Republic » Wed May 15, 2019 3:50 pm
Kaystein wrote:When that happens, remember this thread. This suggestion is a simpler solution, even if it's draconian.
by Kaystein » Thu May 16, 2019 7:32 am
True Refuge wrote:
Players are regularly punished for baiting, and the best way to deal with it is to report it. If you’re seeing it so often, then why haven’t you been making frequent reports?
by Jebslund » Thu May 16, 2019 8:54 am
Kaystein wrote:True Refuge wrote:
Players are regularly punished for baiting, and the best way to deal with it is to report it. If you’re seeing it so often, then why haven’t you been making frequent reports?
Its a waste of my time. Nothing I would report would be actionable. The players getting away with baiting and reporting have been here a while and know what to do to avoid trouble.
by Reploid Productions » Thu May 16, 2019 9:01 am
Kaystein wrote:While it's a poor idea now, there will be a more popular thread, at a later date, created by somebody else more influential when the problem becomes a big enough issue. An idea like this will be suggested in that thread too. I'm certain of this.
When that happens, remember this thread. This suggestion is a simpler solution, even if it's draconian.
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