Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Hanafuridake]

Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

Oh I absolutely believe in doing that.

The difference is that I categorize them as part of the West.

[Duhon]

RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

Apparently he has. It is my sternest recommendation not to peruse any copies of his ouevre.

[Nea Byzantia]

Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

The German wants an alliance with the Japanese...oh no...

[Washington Resistance Army]

RWDT, why haven't you read Dugin and embraced the fourth position yet?

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

I actually have been reading Dugin lately and man it gets fucking W I L D. 11/10 would recommend.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Because I like actual traditions and not esoteric Hyperborean god-men teachings.

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

My apologies if the following is in any way impolite, but I'm genuinely starting to doubt the precise nature of your ideological leanings. The only consistent patterns I've noticed are an intense hatred for authority figures, and an equally intense hatred for industrial civilization and "modernity". However, I'm unsure how much of this is comprised of memes. If you don't mind, of course, an explanation as to just... what exactly are you ideologically?

[Nea Byzantia]

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

I actually have been reading Dugin lately and man it gets fucking W I L D. 11/10 would recommend.

Its good stuff?

[Duhon]

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

I actually have been reading Dugin lately and man it gets fucking W I L D. 11/10 would recommend.

I shall take on the role of good fairy godfather and remind everyone that there are things not meant for human comprehension, let slone enjoyment.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

As far as 'worst presidents' go, well, that's a tough one. I was initially going to go with Andrew Jackson (for committing genocide) or John Adams (for unironically trying to turn the US into a monarchy, albeit a non-hereditary one), but both of those don't really fit the bill, since Jackson wasn't the only one killing the natives and Adams didn't do much of anything objectionable while in office.
I think I'll go with Nixon. Watergate (and to a somewhat lesser extent the credibility gap surrounding Vietnam) shattered Americans' trust in their government, and his only real saving grace in my view is the fact that he established the EPA.
Nixon probably wasn't the worst person to be in office, nor did he do the most damage, but Watergate is special because there doesn't seem to be any justification for it. Pretty much all presidents have done terrible things in office, but they were usually in reaction to a perceived foreign threat and their actions were undertaken to protect the United States in the best way they knew how. Nixon, on the other hand, wasn't. As near as I can tell, he just wanted more power. That's why he gets the spot of "worst president" in my view: not necessarily because of what he did, but because of why he did it.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

As far as 'worst presidents' go, well, that's a tough one. I was initially going to go with Andrew Jackson (for committing genocide) or John Adams (for unironically trying to turn the US into a monarchy, albeit a non-hereditary one), but both of those don't really fit the bill, since Jackson wasn't the only one killing the natives and Adams didn't do much of anything objectionable while in office.
I think I'll go with Nixon. Watergate (and to a somewhat lesser extent the credibility gap surrounding Vietnam) shattered Americans' trust in their government, and his only real saving grace in my view is the fact that he established the EPA.
Nixon probably wasn't the worst person to be in office, nor did he do the most damage, but Watergate is special because there doesn't seem to be any justification for it. Pretty much all presidents have done terrible things in office, but they were usually in reaction to a perceived foreign threat and their actions were undertaken to protect the United States in the best way they knew how. Nixon, on the other hand, wasn't. As near as I can tell, he just wanted more power. That's why he gets the spot of "worst president" in my view: not necessarily because of what he did, but because of why he did it.

> Tried to turn the US into a constitutional elective monarchy.

And that's one of the reasons why I like John Adams, m8.

[Old Tyrannia]

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

Oh I absolutely believe in doing that.

The difference is that I categorize them as part of the West.

I suppose that just about everything is "the West" from your position.

Reminds me of an old joke about a Yorkshireman complaining about "southerners" to a man from the Orkneys.

[Nea Byzantia]

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

Oh I absolutely believe in doing that.

The difference is that I categorize them as part of the West.

Who's "them"? The Russians?

[Duhon]

Oh I absolutely believe in doing that.

The difference is that I categorize them as part of the West.

I suppose that just about everything is "the West" from your position.

Reminds me of an old joke about a Yorkshireman complaining about "southerners" to a man from the Orkneys.

Horseshoe theory, geographically justified.

[Novus America]

Continuing from the last thread, Wilson was legitimately awful all things considered, he even screwed the peace negotiations to grandstand about his dream, which would become the... League of Nations.

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

While the Trail of Tears was completely fucked up and completely unnecessary, he did not cause the same absurd levels of lasting damage to most people (who were not Cherokee) that Wilson did.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Smh I thought you were woke Hana, we gotta crush the west somehow

My apologies if the following is in any way impolite, but I'm genuinely starting to doubt the precise nature of your ideological leanings. The only consistent patterns I've noticed are an intense hatred for authority figures, and an equally intense hatred for industrial civilization and "modernity". However, I'm unsure how much of this is comprised of memes. If you don't mind, of course, an explanation as to just... what exactly are you ideologically?

It varies depending on just how angered I'm feeling day by day tbh. I've largely come to reject western democracy because we're far too tribalistic for it to work when we lack a tangible external enemy but my actual ideas on what to replace it with shift depending on just how peeved I am at society as a whole at that point in time. I'm open to more authoritative forms of democracy or just an outright single party state if it pursues policies I support for both the good of the people and the nation.

Economically I have unironically shifted heavily to the left. Whilst I can't really name an ism I follow on the topic I'm generally in favor of more state intervention and a curtailing of capitalistic influence as I've come to feel it's a cancerous influence on both the state and society. National Syndicalism is an interesting theory as is the socialization ideas laid down in the Congress of Verona in 1943 in the Italian Social Republic but again I don't cling to any one ideological school of thought on the topic, I pick and choose what I think would work best.

On more social issues however I have been steadily driving further to the right and am starting to adopt the mindset that rampant progressivism and the push for equality for no reason but to be equal has had a negative influence on societal morals and has become a slippery slope that I'm no fan of. Whilst I'm still not in any way opposed to LGB protections I've come to abhor the general culture surrounding said groups and I've still never really settled on how I feel about the transgender issue. There's also that whole slippery slope thing that has become very real and I dread to think about where the push for equality is going to take us in another decade or two. I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also not a liberal or progressive on many things.

I generally try to not pin myself down to specific ideological leanings because I'm always in flux as I try to take in knowledge and viewpoints from most any source I can and I'm constantly trying to challenge and readjust my own views on things as a result but that should be a decent explanation for now at least.

[Valrifell]

My apologies if the following is in any way impolite, but I'm genuinely starting to doubt the precise nature of your ideological leanings. The only consistent patterns I've noticed are an intense hatred for authority figures, and an equally intense hatred for industrial civilization and "modernity". However, I'm unsure how much of this is comprised of memes. If you don't mind, of course, an explanation as to just... what exactly are you ideologically?

It varies depending on just how angered I'm feeling day by day tbh. I've largely come to reject western democracy because we're far too tribalistic for it to work when we lack a tangible external enemy but my actual ideas on what to replace it with shift depending on just how peeved I am at society as a whole at that point in time. I'm open to more authoritative forms of democracy or just an outright single party state if it pursues policies I support for both the good of the people and the nation.

Economically I have unironically shifted heavily to the left. Whilst I can't really name an ism I follow on the topic I'm generally in favor of more state intervention and a curtailing of capitalistic influence as I've come to feel it's a cancerous influence on both the state and society. National Syndicalism is an interesting theory as is the socialization ideas laid down in the Congress of Verona in 1943 in the Italian Social Republic but again I don't cling to any one ideological school of thought on the topic, I pick and choose what I think would work best.

On more social issues however I have been steadily driving further to the right and am starting to adopt the mindset that rampant progressivism and the push for equality for no reason but to be equal has had a negative influence on societal morals and has become a slippery slope that I'm no fan of. Whilst I'm still not in any way opposed to LGB protections I've come to abhor the general culture surrounding said groups and I've still never really settled on how I feel about the transgender issue. There's also that whole slippery slope thing that has become very real and I dread to think about where the push for equality is going to take us in another decade or two. I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also not a liberal or progressive on many things.

I generally try to not pin myself down to specific ideological leanings because I'm always in flux as I try to take in knowledge and viewpoints from most any source I can and I'm constantly trying to challenge and readjust my own views on things as a result but that should be a decent explanation for now at least.

Oh no, WRA is turning into a third-positionist crypto-fascist!

[Nea Byzantia]

My apologies if the following is in any way impolite, but I'm genuinely starting to doubt the precise nature of your ideological leanings. The only consistent patterns I've noticed are an intense hatred for authority figures, and an equally intense hatred for industrial civilization and "modernity". However, I'm unsure how much of this is comprised of memes. If you don't mind, of course, an explanation as to just... what exactly are you ideologically?

It varies depending on just how angered I'm feeling day by day tbh. I've largely come to reject western democracy because we're far too tribalistic for it to work when we lack a tangible external enemy but my actual ideas on what to replace it with shift depending on just how peeved I am at society as a whole at that point in time. I'm open to more authoritative forms of democracy or just an outright single party state if it pursues policies I support for both the good of the people and the nation.

Economically I have unironically shifted heavily to the left. Whilst I can't really name an ism I follow on the topic I'm generally in favor of more state intervention and a curtailing of capitalistic influence as I've come to feel it's a cancerous influence on both the state and society. National Syndicalism is an interesting theory as is the socialization ideas laid down in the Congress of Verona in 1943 in the Italian Social Republic but again I don't cling to any one ideological school of thought on the topic, I pick and choose what I think would work best.

On more social issues however I have been steadily driving further to the right and am starting to adopt the mindset that rampant progressivism and the push for equality for no reason but to be equal has had a negative influence on societal morals and has become a slippery slope that I'm no fan of. Whilst I'm still not in any way opposed to LGB protections I've come to abhor the general culture surrounding said groups and I've still never really settled on how I feel about the transgender issue. There's also that whole slippery slope thing that has become very real and I dread to think about where the push for equality is going to take us in another decade or two. I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also not a liberal or progressive on many things.

I generally try to not pin myself down to specific ideological leanings because I'm always in flux as I try to take in knowledge and viewpoints from most any source I can and I'm constantly trying to challenge and readjust my own views on things as a result but that should be a decent explanation for now at least.

Seems pretty respectable.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

My apologies if the following is in any way impolite, but I'm genuinely starting to doubt the precise nature of your ideological leanings. The only consistent patterns I've noticed are an intense hatred for authority figures, and an equally intense hatred for industrial civilization and "modernity". However, I'm unsure how much of this is comprised of memes. If you don't mind, of course, an explanation as to just... what exactly are you ideologically?

It varies depending on just how angered I'm feeling day by day tbh. I've largely come to reject western democracy because we're far too tribalistic for it to work when we lack a tangible external enemy but my actual ideas on what to replace it with shift depending on just how peeved I am at society as a whole at that point in time. I'm open to more authoritative forms of democracy or just an outright single party state if it pursues policies I support for both the good of the people and the nation.

Economically I have unironically shifted heavily to the left. Whilst I can't really name an ism I follow on the topic I'm generally in favor of more state intervention and a curtailing of capitalistic influence as I've come to feel it's a cancerous influence on both the state and society. National Syndicalism is an interesting theory as is the socialization ideas laid down in the Congress of Verona in 1943 in the Italian Social Republic but again I don't cling to any one ideological school of thought on the topic, I pick and choose what I think would work best.

On more social issues however I have been steadily driving further to the right and am starting to adopt the mindset that rampant progressivism and the push for equality for no reason but to be equal has had a negative influence on societal morals and has become a slippery slope that I'm no fan of. Whilst I'm still not in any way opposed to LGB protections I've come to abhor the general culture surrounding said groups and I've still never really settled on how I feel about the transgender issue. There's also that whole slippery slope thing that has become very real and I dread to think about where the push for equality is going to take us in another decade or two. I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also not a liberal or progressive on many things.

I generally try to not pin myself down to specific ideological leanings because I'm always in flux as I try to take in knowledge and viewpoints from most any source I can and I'm constantly trying to challenge and readjust my own views on things as a result but that should be a decent explanation for now at least.

Thank you, WRA. This will be added to my dossier on you.

[Nea Byzantia]

It varies depending on just how angered I'm feeling day by day tbh. I've largely come to reject western democracy because we're far too tribalistic for it to work when we lack a tangible external enemy but my actual ideas on what to replace it with shift depending on just how peeved I am at society as a whole at that point in time. I'm open to more authoritative forms of democracy or just an outright single party state if it pursues policies I support for both the good of the people and the nation.

Economically I have unironically shifted heavily to the left. Whilst I can't really name an ism I follow on the topic I'm generally in favor of more state intervention and a curtailing of capitalistic influence as I've come to feel it's a cancerous influence on both the state and society. National Syndicalism is an interesting theory as is the socialization ideas laid down in the Congress of Verona in 1943 in the Italian Social Republic but again I don't cling to any one ideological school of thought on the topic, I pick and choose what I think would work best.

On more social issues however I have been steadily driving further to the right and am starting to adopt the mindset that rampant progressivism and the push for equality for no reason but to be equal has had a negative influence on societal morals and has become a slippery slope that I'm no fan of. Whilst I'm still not in any way opposed to LGB protections I've come to abhor the general culture surrounding said groups and I've still never really settled on how I feel about the transgender issue. There's also that whole slippery slope thing that has become very real and I dread to think about where the push for equality is going to take us in another decade or two. I wouldn't say I'm a traditionalist, but I'm also not a liberal or progressive on many things.

I generally try to not pin myself down to specific ideological leanings because I'm always in flux as I try to take in knowledge and viewpoints from most any source I can and I'm constantly trying to challenge and readjust my own views on things as a result but that should be a decent explanation for now at least.

Thank you, WRA. This will be added to my dossier on you.

[Novus America]

I actually have been reading Dugin lately and man it gets fucking W I L D. 11/10 would recommend.

Its good stuff?

As an actual political and religious philosophy? Hell no.

As unintentional comedy gold and WTF bat shit insane absurdity?
It does the trick.

Basically if Lord of the Rings and Time Cube had a crack baby.
With serious physical and mental birth defects.

[Nea Byzantia]

Haven't gotten around to it yet...you?

Apparently he has. It is my sternest recommendation not to peruse any copies of his ouevre.

Why not?

[Novus America]

Apparently he has. It is my sternest recommendation not to peruse any copies of his ouevre.

Why not?

Well as since you are Eastern Orthodox Christian it heretical to the extreme, unless you read it as fantasy. If that sort of thing bothers you.

But it does have plenty of lol worthy moments. Also plenty of just WTF did I just read? moments. So it can be entertaining.

But his closest equivalent in the West would be L. Ron Hubbard.

[Nea Byzantia]

Why not?

Well as since you are Eastern Orthodox Christian it heretical to the extreme, unless you read it as fantasy.

Because of the Pagan Influences?

[Novus America]

Well as since you are Eastern Orthodox Christian it heretical to the extreme, unless you read it as fantasy.

Because of the Pagan Influences?

Well yes, and his rejection of pretty much all Christian concepts and values.
It is Manichaeism plus his own esoteric Nazi like fake history.
It is certainly wild, and certainly not Christian.

Some Christians get upset by religious stuff that rejects Christianity, others do not mind reading it and rejecting it.
I am not sure where you fall in that.

I know some Christian writers regard it as literally satanic.

[Nea Byzantia]

Because of the Pagan Influences?

Well yes, and his rejection of pretty much all Christian concepts and values.
It is Manichaeism plus his own esoteric Nazi like fake history.
It is certainly wild, and certainly not Christian.

Some Christians get upset by religious stuff that rejects Christianity, others do not mind reading it and rejecting it.
I am not sure where you fall in that.

I wouldn't be against reading it and coming to my own conclusions; but I appreciate the advice.

[Bear Stearns]

While I'm salty about Wilson for obvious reasons, I honestly think that even as a US president, he was nowhere as bad as, say, Andrew Jackson (Especially for his trail of tears) in my personal opinion.

While the Trail of Tears was completely fucked up and completely unnecessary, he did not cause the same absurd levels of lasting damage to most people (who were not Cherokee) that Wilson did.

The Trail of Tears was pretty par for the course when it came to forced migration in the 1840s.