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by Aglanen » Fri May 10, 2019 8:12 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 10, 2019 8:13 am
Aglanen wrote:This poll's hilarious. You may as well have written
1. I agree
2. I strongly agree
3. I'm an idiot for disagreeing
by Caracasus » Fri May 10, 2019 8:15 am
by Sungai Pusat » Fri May 10, 2019 8:16 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Sungai Pusat wrote:See, the reason why people went "gosh, why is that white person so poor" is probably because they were only exposed to one form of privilege that can exist.
Nonetheless, white privilege reduced empathy for whites rather than increasing empathy for blacks, so what good is it exactly?You know. Like the study says it does.
Not all it says.Also, the logical extremes would suggest that talking about privilege of any kind, some of which you would hopefully agree really does fucking exist (e.g... the privilege of having more money to start with in your life versus having little at all) would be bad because it would encourage anti-rich people sentiments, even though not everyone who is rich is a bad person.
You can stop being rich, you can't stop being white.The fault in your interpretation of this is assuming that all this exists as a simple on-off switch; talk about one form of privilege is bad because anti-people "with that privilege", supposedly because, y'know, poverty. Talking about them all means everyone suddenly becomes anti-white/rich/Christian/male, etc.
Pretty much. Because you can talk about how people face problems, rather than bitterly noting how other people don't. What's your excuse for that type of framing device?Instead of recognising that having less empathy for someone based on the things they're supposedly privileged for is kind of fucking nonsensical because hey, maybe they've got some other bullshit in their life, like... being poor. Or being LGBT. Or having mental issues, etc.
And yet, that's what the study shows.It's a whole fucking system. Just as the professor. Fucking. Mentioned.
No actually, they rationalized that excuse but didn't study it to back it up.Oh god, this is "anti racist = anti white" with a new coat of paint, isn't it?
Well, do you have a counter argument?
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 10, 2019 8:18 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 10, 2019 8:19 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri May 10, 2019 8:22 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 10, 2019 8:23 am
by Ifreann » Fri May 10, 2019 8:23 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Ifreann wrote:So we should figure out how to better educate people to avoid this reaction. I don't think we should throw out facts just because people don't tend to have good reactions to them.
Also, you have a plural in your title that should probably be a singular.
Right, now here's how you do that.
Talk about disadvantage, not privilege. Real simple.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 10, 2019 8:26 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Vice Media founded by the same person who founded neo-fascist group The Proud Boys.
by Vassenor » Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 am
by Galloism » Fri May 10, 2019 8:28 am
Vassenor wrote:So we're supposed to be complaining that people don't think white people are the greatest race ever again?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 10, 2019 8:28 am
Ifreann wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Right, now here's how you do that.
Talk about disadvantage, not privilege. Real simple.
I figure that people who, you know, actually know about this stuff will work something out. Maybe people who didn't start with the conclusion they wanted and then worked backwards to find evidence for it.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 10, 2019 8:33 am
Vassenor wrote:So we're supposed to be complaining that people don't think white people are the greatest race ever again?
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri May 10, 2019 8:36 am
by Loben The 2nd » Fri May 10, 2019 8:37 am
by Galloism » Fri May 10, 2019 8:42 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 10, 2019 8:44 am
Ifreann wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Right, now here's how you do that.
Talk about disadvantage, not privilege. Real simple.
I figure that people who, you know, actually know about this stuff will work something out. Maybe people who didn't start with the conclusion they wanted and then worked backwards to find evidence for it.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ifreann wrote:I figure that people who, you know, actually know about this stuff will work something out. Maybe people who didn't start with the conclusion they wanted and then worked backwards to find evidence for it.
Like many grievance studies professors didn't start with the conclusions they wanted.
by Hirota » Fri May 10, 2019 8:45 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 10, 2019 8:45 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri May 10, 2019 8:47 am
Hirota wrote:Right now, I'm the only one to vote I don't believe the evidence...But that is because I am wary of two studies from the same source showing similar results - at least that is how I read the article.
Until these results are replicated elsewhere (something difficult to do in these softer sciences) I'll remain skeptical that any breakthrough or meaningful discovery has been made.
I mean personally I can believe it but I'd be wary of proclaiming victory just yet.
Also, I'm uncomfortable with their solution. Intersectionality is not the answer because of how it gets abused.
by Ifreann » Fri May 10, 2019 8:47 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ifreann wrote:I figure that people who, you know, actually know about this stuff will work something out. Maybe people who didn't start with the conclusion they wanted and then worked backwards to find evidence for it.
Like many grievance studies professors didn't start with the conclusions they wanted.
by Hirota » Fri May 10, 2019 8:47 am
We should all be doing the best we can to encourage posters to do a better job. C'mon Vass we all believe that with just an iota of effort you can develop basic reading skills!
by Conserative Morality » Fri May 10, 2019 8:48 am
-Ocelot- wrote:There is going to be a time when you'll regret spending so much of your time and youth defending white supremacists and MRAs in a niche nation-building forum, Ostro.
by Caracasus » Fri May 10, 2019 8:49 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:I note plenty of the progressives here backpeddling and saying all it proves is that we need to include class in order not to be anti-white have implicitly conceded by doing so that the media is massively racist against white people on a regular basis.
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