... OK?
Is that your big 8 dimensional chess move?
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by The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 10:52 pm
by Galloism » Wed May 08, 2019 10:53 pm
Cataluna wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:It's an invalid interpretation because it's using a term that is exclusively reserved to blame men for their own problems.
I understand your sentiment here, but I think it misunderstands fundamentally that toxic masculinity addresses a systemic problem as opposed to an individual one. It's easy to see it as man-blaming, but truth be told, men are victims of it too. And while it'd be easy to say that "women's rights will make it all better", it's obviously more complex than that. Instead, working with men to reach a healthier masculinity and feminity will be beneficial to everyone. At least, that's the way I see it.
by Costa Fierro » Wed May 08, 2019 10:53 pm
New haven america wrote:Why are you still doing it?
by Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 10:54 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 08, 2019 10:54 pm
by New haven america » Wed May 08, 2019 10:54 pm
by Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 10:55 pm
by Cataluna » Wed May 08, 2019 10:55 pm
Galloism wrote:Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
by The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 10:56 pm
Galloism wrote:Cataluna wrote:I understand your sentiment here, but I think it misunderstands fundamentally that toxic masculinity addresses a systemic problem as opposed to an individual one. It's easy to see it as man-blaming, but truth be told, men are victims of it too. And while it'd be easy to say that "women's rights will make it all better", it's obviously more complex than that. Instead, working with men to reach a healthier masculinity and feminity will be beneficial to everyone. At least, that's the way I see it.
Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 08, 2019 10:58 pm
Cataluna wrote:Galloism wrote:Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?
by The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 10:59 pm
by Galloism » Wed May 08, 2019 11:00 pm
Cataluna wrote:Galloism wrote:Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?
What Brown also discovered in the course of her research is that, contrary to her early assumptions, men's shame is not primarily inflicted by other men. Instead, it is the women in their lives who tend to be repelled when men show the chinks in their armor.
"Most women pledge allegiance to this idea that women can explore their emotions, break down, fall apart—and it's healthy," Brown said. "But guys are not allowed to fall apart." Ironically, she explained, men are often pressured to open up and talk about their feelings, and they are criticized for being emotionally walled-off; but if they get too real, they are met with revulsion. She recalled the first time she realized that she had been complicit in the shaming: "Holy Shit!" she said. "I am the patriarchy!"
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 08, 2019 11:00 pm
by New haven america » Wed May 08, 2019 11:00 pm
Cataluna wrote:Galloism wrote:Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?
by Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 11:01 pm
by Cataluna » Wed May 08, 2019 11:02 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.
by Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 11:03 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Heloin wrote:Come now. You've been using this site since the beginning. If you wanted to be made a DOS for some stupid reason you could come up with dozens if not hundreds of ways if you needed to.
Hmm. This must be a regional difference in language. Saying "right?" is a conformation of something that is extra true. For instance:
Statement -> "The sky is blue."
Agreement/confirmation of something undeniably true -> "Right?"
by New haven america » Wed May 08, 2019 11:04 pm
Cataluna wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.
Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.
by Galloism » Wed May 08, 2019 11:05 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Galloism wrote:Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.
Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.
The women in their life won’t let them.
It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.
... Huh?
Cannot think of a name wrote:Cataluna wrote:In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?
I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.
by The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 11:06 pm
Cataluna wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.
Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.
by Galloism » Wed May 08, 2019 11:07 pm
Cataluna wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.
Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.
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