LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Conserative Morality]

They were better off during Soviet power, sure (except Azerbaijan, Ukraine and the Baltics, and Georgia), but the significant flaws with the Soviet systems lingered.
The Westernizing countries that I mentioned are not very fond of the Soviet Union apart from the elderly.

Ukraine, with the exception of the Stalin period, was much better off under Soviet power, and until the revolution in 2014, support for Soviet power remained higher than in Russia. There is also a significant amount of people in the Baltics who wish Soviet power was back. And hell, Georgia is a third world country, where massive portions of the populace pine for the days of Stalin.

>> the Baltics

Press X to doubt

[United Muscovite Nations]

Ukraine, with the exception of the Stalin period, was much better off under Soviet power, and until the revolution in 2014, support for Soviet power remained higher than in Russia. There is also a significant amount of people in the Baltics who wish Soviet power was back. And hell, Georgia is a third world country, where massive portions of the populace pine for the days of Stalin.

>> the Baltics

Press X to doubt

Opinions have shifted greatly since the Russian intervention in Ukraine. See the poll I posted from 2011. Even so, there's significant nostalgia for the system.

[Nea Byzantia]

It depends on the crusade tbh. The First Crusade most certainly was given that it's principle aim was to assist the ERE against the rapidly advancing Turks and reclaim land that had been lost after Manzikert, though they went a wee bit overboard in terms of their mission. The Second and Third were both legitimate responses to the fall of the County of Edessa and the Kingdom of Jerusalem respectively. The Wendish Crusade was a pure land grab, but the Wends themselves weren't saints, frequently raiding HRE lands but nonetheless it wasn't defensive in nature from its origin. The Baron's Crusade is a bit iffy, but it was generally meant to shore up the defenses of Christian lands that had been peacefully obtained by Frederick II. Most of the others were mainly just ways to shore up popularity and whatnot and eventually their diminishing returns led to their abandonment.

Some people include the Reconquista, which is a complicated affair to say the least.

And then there's the Fourth Crusade; which was just a Venetian, Frankish regime change plot in Byzantium, gone south; and of course it ended in the Sacking of New Rome (Constantinople).

[Kowani]

It depends on the crusade tbh. The First Crusade most certainly was given that it's principle aim was to assist the ERE against the rapidly advancing Turks and reclaim land that had been lost after Manzikert, though they went a wee bit overboard in terms of their mission. The Second and Third were both legitimate responses to the fall of the County of Edessa and the Kingdom of Jerusalem respectively. The Wendish Crusade was a pure land grab, but the Wends themselves weren't saints, frequently raiding HRE lands but nonetheless it wasn't defensive in nature from its origin. The Baron's Crusade is a bit iffy, but it was generally meant to shore up the defenses of Christian lands that had been peacefully obtained by Frederick II. Most of the others were mainly just ways to shore up popularity and whatnot and eventually their diminishing returns led to their abandonment.

Some people include the Reconquista, which is a complicated affair to say the least.

And then there's the Fourth Crusade; which was just a Venetian, Frankish regime change plot in Byzantium, gone south; and of course it ended in the Sacking of New Rome (Constantinople).

I believe you mean the building of Istanbul.

[Nea Byzantia]

And then there's the Fourth Crusade; which was just a Venetian, Frankish regime change plot in Byzantium, gone south; and of course it ended in the Sacking of New Rome (Constantinople).

I believe you mean the building of Istanbul.

You're about 250 years off, anyway...

[Conserative Morality]

It depends on the crusade tbh. The First Crusade most certainly was given that it's principle aim was to assist the ERE against the rapidly advancing Turks and reclaim land that had been lost after Manzikert, though they went a wee bit overboard in terms of their mission. The Second and Third were both legitimate responses to the fall of the County of Edessa and the Kingdom of Jerusalem respectively. The Wendish Crusade was a pure land grab, but the Wends themselves weren't saints, frequently raiding HRE lands but nonetheless it wasn't defensive in nature from its origin. The Baron's Crusade is a bit iffy, but it was generally meant to shore up the defenses of Christian lands that had been peacefully obtained by Frederick II. Most of the others were mainly just ways to shore up popularity and whatnot and eventually their diminishing returns led to their abandonment.

Some people include the Reconquista, which is a complicated affair to say the least.

And then there's the Fourth Crusade; which was just a Venetian, Frankish regime change plot in Byzantium, gone south; and of course it ended in the Sacking of New Rome (Constantinople).

>> when we get blamed for Byzantine politics

Should have thought about that before playing Palace Coup Roulette for the past 6 centuries. =^^)

[Kowani]

I believe you mean the building of Istanbul.

You're about 250 years off, anyway...

It is a very gradual cause-and-effect chain.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Comes back sees tankers goes away.

[Farnhamia]

Comes back sees tankers goes away.

Assuming you aren't referring to conveyances used to move large amounts of liquids, don't use pejoratives like "tankie" or "tanker." If you can't post in a civil manner, don't post.

[Kavagrad]

Comes back sees tankers goes away.

Fun Fact: You can use this forum without spewing every incoherent misspelled thought you have onto it.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Comes back sees tankers goes away.

Fun Fact: You can use this forum without spewing every incoherent misspelled thought you have onto it.

Woah there, cowboy.

[Torrocca]

Fun Fact: You can use this forum without spewing every incoherent misspelled thought you have onto it.

Woah there, cowboy.

Cowboy? What is this, the Wild West? We only go by comrade, comrade!

[Napkizemlja]

UMNov (I know you're really Adam Eget trying to hide yourself) this is my official response to your Stalin posts.

[Kavagrad]

Fun Fact: You can use this forum without spewing every incoherent misspelled thought you have onto it.

Woah there, cowboy.

Given this guys post history, I'd call it justified, yeehaw

[Cekoviu]

Woah there, cowboy.

Cowboy? What is this, the Wild West? We only go by comrade, comrade!

Comrade? What is this, America? We only go by товарищ, товарищ!

[Asherahan]

Anybody made their own religion yet?

[Nea Byzantia]

Anybody made their own religion yet?

Nope...But I have made my religion my own.

[Napkizemlja]

Anybody made their own religion yet?

Normism.

[Torrocca]

Cowboy? What is this, the Wild West? We only go by comrade, comrade!

Comrade? What is this, America? We only go by товарищ, товарищ!

Shhh, or you're gonna expose our American PsyOps Division!

[Asherahan]

Anybody made their own religion yet?

Nope...But I have made my religion my own.

Is it a perverse sex cult?

[Nea Byzantia]

Nope...But I have made my religion my own.

Is it a perverse sex cult?

Sorry no. Its the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Real one

[United Muscovite Nations]

UMNov (I know you're really Adam Eget trying to hide yourself) this is my official response to your Stalin posts.

Norm MacDonald knows that Stalin aws the man who fucking tried to stop Hitler. GOOD OLD JOE

[Asherahan]

Is it a perverse sex cult?

Sorry no. Its the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Real one

The antithesis of what fun means then. Nah don't wanna.

[Nea Byzantia]

Sorry no. Its the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Real one

The antithesis of what fun means then. Nah don't wanna.

If by "fun", you mean a peverse sex cult? Then yes.

[Kavagrad]

The antithesis of what fun means then. Nah don't wanna.

If by "fun", you mean a peverse sex cult? Then yes.

I don't know of a different definition