Maybe they thought sanction is, idk, the UN pulling fines from nations like speeding fine. Or boycott, which actually happens (but not an official policy)
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by Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 9:10 am
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by Purpelia » Tue May 07, 2019 12:52 pm
by The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 12:54 pm
Purpelia wrote:Sanctions are the disgusting and criminal practice of imperialist powers imposing their morality and way of life on foreigners by force of economic destruction. They are essentially the national equivalent of pedophilic rape.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 12:55 pm
by Scomagia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:11 pm
Purpelia wrote:Sanctions are the disgusting and criminal practice of imperialist powers imposing their morality and way of life on foreigners by force of economic destruction. They are essentially the national equivalent of pedophilic rape.
by Duhon » Tue May 07, 2019 1:20 pm
Purpelia wrote:Sanctions are the disgusting and criminal practice of imperialist powers imposing their morality and way of life on foreigners by force of economic destruction. They are essentially the national equivalent of pedophilic rape.
by Gormwood » Tue May 07, 2019 1:22 pm
Purpelia wrote:Sanctions are the disgusting and criminal practice of imperialist powers imposing their morality and way of life on foreigners by force of economic destruction. They are essentially the national equivalent of pedophilic rape.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 1:28 pm
Duhon wrote:Purpelia wrote:Sanctions are the disgusting and criminal practice of imperialist powers imposing their morality and way of life on foreigners by force of economic destruction. They are essentially the national equivalent of pedophilic rape.
... ah, the moral high horse of straddling on the same side as the executioners of LGBTs.
by Purpelia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:30 pm
The New California Republic wrote:That's a bit strong...
Scomagia wrote:So what you're saying is that it's criminal and disgusting to stop doing business with countries with whom you have extreme moral differences? That's interesting and also very stupid.
And in what way is it criminal, exactly? Care to direct the rest of us to the relevant international law or treaty that sanctions violate?
Duhon wrote:
... ah, the moral high horse of straddling on the same side as the executioners of LGBTs.
Gormwood wrote:So you're saying North Korea and Cuba should not be sanctioned?
by Scomagia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:37 pm
Purpelia wrote:The New California Republic wrote:That's a bit strong...
Not at all. That is literally what it is. Big nations breaking into smaller ones and forcing them at gunpoint to oppress their people by violating their fundamental right to self determination (to chose their government type and way of life).Scomagia wrote:So what you're saying is that it's criminal and disgusting to stop doing business with countries with whom you have extreme moral differences? That's interesting and also very stupid.
And in what way is it criminal, exactly? Care to direct the rest of us to the relevant international law or treaty that sanctions violate?
Would you like it if someone was to put your nation under sanctions because they disagree with your customs?
Assume for a moment you are american. It's a simply thing to assume since you either are (most people on the internet are) or are at least heavily familiar with their strange and confusing culture due to massive exposure (again, internet). So let's assume you are.
Now, where I am from most american customs are strange, confusing or outright revolting. The idea that they allow everyone to own and walk around with deadly firearms. The idea that they allow people to school children at home and teach them all sorts of insane pseudo-science and creationism instead of actual knowledge (leading to religious violence). The idea that they refuse to have socialized medicine. Their distrust of government and its officials. The list is endless.
Now imagine if my nation was to get the UN to sanction America until they decide to reverse those customs. After all it's only reasonable to have these barbarians who keep killing each other on the streets give up their weapons. Or to have remove the government they so obviously distrust and replace it with something more civilized. And of course there surely can be no question of the moral validity of freeing them of the mind dulling oppression that comes with religious extremism. Surely, those sanctions would be just and proper? Right?
And this is NOT a farce either. Like, from where I am standing you can make a perfectly valid argument for doing just that. And if I were not in opposition to interventionism as a matter of principal I'd find it hard to find any other reason to oppose them.
Thing about that for a moment.Duhon wrote:
... ah, the moral high horse of straddling on the same side as the executioners of LGBTs.
I disagree with their choices but must defend to the death their right to make them. Lest my right to make my choices fall along side with theirs.Gormwood wrote:So you're saying North Korea and Cuba should not be sanctioned?
Absolutely not. Nobody should ever be forced to change their internal politics at gunpoint. The people of those nations have the right to run them as they see fit. And if we find their ways strange, alien or even evil we must simply shrug and accept that to them we seem just as strange, alien and evil. It is the same principal that drives us in the west to show the tolerance we are renowned for. The very thing that drives you in your replies to me.
by Gormwood » Tue May 07, 2019 1:38 pm
Purpelia wrote:Gormwood wrote:So you're saying North Korea and Cuba should not be sanctioned?
Absolutely not. Nobody should ever be forced to change their internal politics at gunpoint. The people of those nations have the right to run them as they see fit. And if we find their ways strange, alien or even evil we must simply shrug and accept that to them we seem just as strange, alien and evil. It is the same principal that drives us in the west to show the tolerance we are renowned for. The very thing that drives you in your replies to me.
by Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 1:40 pm
Purpelia wrote:Gormwood wrote:So you're saying North Korea and Cuba should not be sanctioned?
Absolutely not. Nobody should ever be forced to change their internal politics at gunpoint. The people of those nations have the right to run them as they see fit. And if we find their ways strange, alien or even evil we must simply shrug and accept that to them we seem just as strange, alien and evil. It is the same principal that drives us in the west to show the tolerance we are renowned for. The very thing that drives you in your replies to me.
by Scomagia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:43 pm
Heloin wrote:Purpelia wrote:Absolutely not. Nobody should ever be forced to change their internal politics at gunpoint. The people of those nations have the right to run them as they see fit. And if we find their ways strange, alien or even evil we must simply shrug and accept that to them we seem just as strange, alien and evil. It is the same principal that drives us in the west to show the tolerance we are renowned for. The very thing that drives you in your replies to me.
So instead all nations should be forced to trade with countries they disagree with?
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 1:49 pm
Heloin wrote:Scomagia wrote:Apparently ending trade with NK is wrong and exploitative but enabling the oppression of their citizenry by continuing trade is a-ok. Strange times.
I always thought Westphalian sovereignty was supposed to work both ways. I guess it's only is allowed to benefit dictatorships and autocratic regimes.
by Andsed » Tue May 07, 2019 1:49 pm
by Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 2:10 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The New California Republic wrote:That's a bit strong...
As much as I dislike what Brunei proposed, he has a point. A lot of people will cry that we must always respect a nation's right to self-determination, until that nation does something they don't like, at which point they must be strongarmed into conforming with the Western democratic consensus.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 2:11 pm
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:As much as I dislike what Brunei proposed, he has a point. A lot of people will cry that we must always respect a nation's right to self-determination, until that nation does something they don't like, at which point they must be strongarmed into conforming with the Western democratic consensus.
Another argument for the establishment of a UN elected parliament which will draft an actual human rights declaration/law, and the next step towards a world government
by Scomagia » Tue May 07, 2019 2:30 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:Another argument for the establishment of a UN elected parliament which will draft an actual human rights declaration/law, and the next step towards a world government
A world government can't account for diversity in worldview and would be doomed to collapse almost as soon as it came into being.
by Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:08 pm
by Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 3:09 pm
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The death penalty was very extreme- hopefully the learn how to deal with homosexuality peacefully. I think Islamist is making this so bad when they could ban it without killing.
by The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 3:09 pm
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The death penalty was very extreme- hopefully the learn how to deal with homosexuality peacefully. I think Islamist is making this so bad when they could ban it without killing.
by Slotted Floppies » Tue May 07, 2019 3:11 pm
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The death penalty was very extreme- hopefully the learn how to deal with homosexuality peacefully. I think Islamist is making this so bad when they could ban it without killing.
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