Hanafuridake wrote:Nietzsche wrote:The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance.
Citation needed.
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by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 12:34 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Nietzsche wrote:The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 12:34 am
by Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:31 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Grenartia wrote:
I have no idea what that is, but down with monarchs! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS!
That was the last that Comrade Gren was ever heard from again, because the socialist dictator they helped rise to power had them executed for wearing glasses.
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 07, 2019 1:37 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Grenartia wrote:
I have no idea what that is, but down with monarchs! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR CHAINS!
That was the last that Comrade Gren was ever heard from again, because the socialist dictator they helped rise to power had them executed for wearing glasses.
by Hanafuridake » Tue May 07, 2019 1:52 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 1:55 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 07, 2019 1:57 am
by Grenartia » Tue May 07, 2019 1:59 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:01 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:08 am
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:12 am
Hanafuridake wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:So I was thinking that sexual relations should be solely for reproduction, not for pleasure, and that marriages should be arranged according to the best interests of the family and the state without regard to romance and sexual attraction. Who here agrees with this idea?
It's an awful idea which would result in the breakdown of families because people are paired together who are not at all attracted to each other. I'm pretty sure that this would be a major violation of Christian beliefs on marriage too, considering that the husband and wife are supposed to become one flesh, which is kind of hard to do when you're being forced to marry blindly.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:15 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 07, 2019 2:20 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Both are wrong, imo. But it depends which qualifier you use. "Libertarians turn into Nazis" and "Libertarian Socialists turn into MLs" are both technically correct statements, but they're very muddled ones with no qualifiers. "All libertarians turn into Nazis" and "All Libertarian Socialists turn into MLs" on the other hand is demonstrably wrong. The qualifiers "a lot of" is also very nebulous and hard to prove or disprove. Which makes this general pipeline idea an unhelpful one to pursue, and I think we should judge ideologies by what they are, not what they have an alleged tendency to turn into.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:23 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
It's an awful idea which would result in the breakdown of families because people are paired together who are not at all attracted to each other. I'm pretty sure that this would be a major violation of Christian beliefs on marriage too, considering that the husband and wife are supposed to become one flesh, which is kind of hard to do when you're being forced to marry blindly.
That's not backed up by studies and the Christian angle ignores that the idea marriages are based on one of "Love" is a modernist invention.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:24 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:Socialists, Bolsheviks, Libertarians, etc are irrelevant distinctions and any alleged pipelines are too; they all get suppression by the military forces of the state for the threat they pose.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:24 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
That's not backed up by studies and the Christian angle ignores that the idea marriages are based on one of "Love" is a modernist invention.
Is love a modernist invention?
Is marriage a modernist invention?
Were marriage and love completely separate concepts before modernism?
As I understand it the answer to all three of these questions is a resounding "no." Even if marriage for love was a modernist invention, that would just make it a pretty damn good modernist invention.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:26 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:26 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Is love a modernist invention?
Is marriage a modernist invention?
Were marriage and love completely separate concepts before modernism?
As I understand it the answer to all three of these questions is a resounding "no." Even if marriage for love was a modernist invention, that would just make it a pretty damn good modernist invention.
The contemporary conception of love and marriage very much are modernist inventions. And yes, before present times, marriage and love very much were different concepts.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:27 am
by Old Tyrannia » Tue May 07, 2019 2:28 am
Bienenhalde wrote:So I was thinking that sexual relations should be solely for reproduction, not for pleasure, and that marriages should be arranged according to the best interests of the family and the state without regard to romance and sexual attraction. Who here agrees with this idea?
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:29 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Isn't National Syndicalism a form of Socialism?
No, as the name in of itself should imply; Socialism is international in character while National Syndicalism, as the name should suggest, doesn't and is specifically geared towards the preservation of the nation-state. In economic terms, likewise, National Syndicalism does not remove the market like Socialism. The 26 Point Program of the Spanish Falange is an excellent resource I'd recommend reading.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:31 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
No, as the name in of itself should imply; Socialism is international in character while National Syndicalism, as the name should suggest, doesn't and is specifically geared towards the preservation of the nation-state. In economic terms, likewise, National Syndicalism does not remove the market like Socialism. The 26 Point Program of the Spanish Falange is an excellent resource I'd recommend reading.
I question what the massive distinction is that makes Socialism a threat worthy of shredding the first amendment over, but National Syndicalism the way forward.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:33 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 2:37 am
Totally Not OEP wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I question what the massive distinction is that makes Socialism a threat worthy of shredding the first amendment over, but National Syndicalism the way forward.
Because Socialism is a threat to the nation-state, both through its internationalism and the class conflict it supports. I also, it should be clear, have no love for the First Amendment.
by Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 2:51 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
Because Socialism is a threat to the nation-state, both through its internationalism and the class conflict it supports. I also, it should be clear, have no love for the First Amendment.
Is internationalism and class conflict reason enough to send the military on it?
What's wrong with the first amendment? Without it, any ideas at odds with the establishment including yours would likely not be tolerated.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Totally Not OEP wrote:
As Benuty pointed out, it's really not and we have the data to back that up.
I can't find Benuty's post. If you're referring to divorce rates, the high divorce rates we have are a result of it being very easy to initiate a divorce, not due to marriage for love being a popular idea.
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