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by United States of Americanas » Wed May 01, 2019 9:41 pm
by Araraukar » Wed May 01, 2019 9:43 pm
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:OOC: To engage in IA levels of pedantic bickering, I do believe at this point it would be possible to interpret this definition in a way that excludes virtually every major commercial airliner and modern military aircraft in the word, as none of them operate ENTIRELY under the control of the pilot at any point in time
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Kenmoria » Wed May 01, 2019 11:41 pm
Hijlistan Arg wrote:Centrum Terrae wrote:Even if it passes there is a loophole. It states that in order to be an aircraft, it must be controlled by a sapient bieng. So if you have robot controlled, or self-flying airplanes, then its not an aircraft and you can just bypass all of these rules!
I disagree with this notion because even if it is being self-piloted, it is still the product of other human beings belonging to a certain nation, who have programmed it to take the course of action it takes, so even if it's indirect, the nation who created such airplanes are still liable and considered an aircraft.
by Satuga » Thu May 02, 2019 4:51 am
Kenmoria wrote:Satuga wrote:To my fellow WA Nations I must implore the fact that this Resolution is highly corruptible and has many flaws, not only does it have various loopholes in which Nations can exploit, but it also offers a means for Nations to set up other Nations as a means to initiate an illegal war. Say a nation builds another Nations aircraft and purposely reports it as a breach of Airspace. In which because of the absolute lack of restrictions on this Resolution said nation could "respond" however they will, whether that be a casus belli, or full on Nuclear Warfare this is incredibly dangerous to the safety of weaker nations, and thus I implore you fellow nations to vote against this resolution until or if it is fixed.
“Although this proposal does have a few flaws, I do not think you are describing one of them. If a nation builds another aircraft for this nation, then it would not be anything close to a good-faith interpretation, as is required by GA #002, to declare this as a cause for war. In addition, if this proposal is not passed, then member nations will still be free to respond however they wish to an airspace intrusion.”
by Kenmoria » Thu May 02, 2019 2:31 pm
Satuga wrote:Kenmoria wrote:“Although this proposal does have a few flaws, I do not think you are describing one of them. If a nation builds another aircraft for this nation, then it would not be anything close to a good-faith interpretation, as is required by GA #002, to declare this as a cause for war. In addition, if this proposal is not passed, then member nations will still be free to respond however they wish to an airspace intrusion.”
"Which is exactly why my nation and it's people push for a safer more well regulated version of the Resolution, we understand the importance of this Resolution however this current version is highly flawed and needs to be revised."
by DACOROMANIA » Thu May 02, 2019 2:39 pm
by Kenmoria » Thu May 02, 2019 2:41 pm
DACOROMANIA wrote:How do I register in the Committee ?? And what if that refuse to register me ??
For example, if for my nation population safety is to save them to outer space from a calamity on earth then I am forbidden to do so just because I'm not approved by a committee...
This resolution lacks more things still needed to solve in it.
by Jasonvillee » Thu May 02, 2019 3:45 pm
by Christian Confederation » Thu May 02, 2019 3:49 pm
by Sunaro » Thu May 02, 2019 5:25 pm
by Elwher » Thu May 02, 2019 8:45 pm
Christian Confederation wrote:I hope this passes, because than I will not be threatened for shouting down enemy aircraft lol.
by Araraukar » Thu May 02, 2019 10:19 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Kenmoria » Thu May 02, 2019 11:24 pm
Sunaro wrote:Member States should be allowed to regulate their own airspace. Forcing these laws upon us would set a dangerous precedent and inevitably will lead down a dark path where members of this assembly will have other nations choose whats best for their country.
by Iciaros » Fri May 03, 2019 2:10 am
Araraukar wrote:Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:OOC: To engage in IA levels of pedantic bickering, I do believe at this point it would be possible to interpret this definition in a way that excludes virtually every major commercial airliner and modern military aircraft in the word, as none of them operate ENTIRELY under the control of the pilot at any point in time
OOC: That is the best loophole it contains, and you had to go and spoil it? (Kidding, I don't want any kind of aircraft in Araraukarian airspace that isn't Araraukarian coast guard helicopter, and will do a very broad reading instead, of that clause...)
by Kenmoria » Fri May 03, 2019 9:26 am
Prritain wrote:This is Ok, even though it has a lot of loopholes, for a first try, but what i say is, NO ONE TELLS ME WHERE I CAN BE TERRITORIAL ABOUT AIRSPACE!
Hail the confederation!
by Dommeperackerry » Fri May 03, 2019 1:09 pm
An "aircraft" as an object capable of flight, controlled entirely by sapient beings;
by Kenmoria » Fri May 03, 2019 1:39 pm
Dommeperackerry wrote:An "aircraft" as an object capable of flight, controlled entirely by sapient beings;
So we are to allow craft otherwise not controlled by sapient beings? What of AI-drones?
by Maowi » Fri May 03, 2019 1:43 pm
by Kenmoria » Fri May 03, 2019 2:12 pm
Maowi wrote:Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: You are correct. That is a major loophole in the proposal at vote.)
'Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anything in the proposal which bans member nations from imposing restrictions on craft not controlled by sentients, or which prevents another delegation from proposing a draft on the subject of A.I.-controlled aircraft.'
by Northern Forestavia » Fri May 03, 2019 5:06 pm
Sunaro wrote:Member States should be allowed to regulate their own airspace. Forcing these laws upon us would set a dangerous precedent and inevitably will lead down a dark path where members of this assembly will have other nations choose whats best for their country.
by East Meranopirus » Sat May 04, 2019 9:15 pm
by Jocospor » Sat May 04, 2019 9:28 pm
by Kenmoria » Sun May 05, 2019 2:24 am
East Meranopirus wrote:Thank you to everyone who has supported me in passing this resolution.
But alas, I think we can all see a repeal coming...which got me thinking, why can't I write a repeal myself?
by East Meranopirus » Sun May 05, 2019 2:44 am
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: You can, but it may be perceived as badge-hunting, especially if you replace it later. That gives you three resolutions passed instead of one. I suggest working with somebody else and letting them submit it, or leaving it for another player to do.)
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