Socialist Workers Combine wrote:Sada Difrium wrote:You claim that you both support a police state that relies on a cult of personality and brutal labor camps, and that you're not a Stalinist? I'd be more willing to believe you if you had said that you're a vegan who eats a steak every day.
I don’t want them attacked by the U.S. but of course I’d like to see them reform. Attacks by the US don’t go well for the subject states, so what can I do but support them against US imperialism? Would they be better off with slave trade as in Libya? The U.S. is a police state as well, given their prison numbers.
Incarceration numbers and being a 'police state' do not always, and in this instance, they don't, correlate. In fact there is a difference between the two that is quite easily determined if one actually knew the definition - Police States are heavily authoritarian nations of which use the means of electronic surveillance, policing of speech and hardline stances on many things such as speech and what one can say about the governing party to control how the citizenry.
Being incarcerated implies you broke a law, and in this instance, a great number of people have broken the law. The laws themselves I argue are quite often retarded ones, of which serve no purpose but to benefit the prison system, as it is a private industry itself, and I don't agree with it myself, far from.
Supporting anti-imperialism by propping up the North Korean regime is basically summed up to me as this:
"I support the North Korean Regime, of which incarcerates its citizens and their families for generations in prison camps for breaking laws and attempting to defect. I support the North Korean Regime, of which has repeatedly and unprovoked attack South Korea with artillery and rockets. I support North Korea, which has threatened to use atomic weapons on South Korea, against many innocents, and their eyes technical countrymen.
Against American Imperialism, in this case being American naval and air support of a South Korean liberation of the North and reunification of the Penninsula, in which the only one gaining anything is South Korea, of whom is just being helped by the USA."
This is what I hear when I read your statement. I get the idea that American Imperialism is not good for the world, and I follow the sentiment, I'd rather the USA did not have to follow the Europeans into every war they wanna bumble into, and likewise wished Europe wouldn't do the same for them, and that NATO was an entirely defensive arrangement and not offensive.
However, what you said is straightforward simply just.. stupid.
You prop up a Literal Police State stuck in the 1960s, of which is at war with South Korea(though they are talking now at least), of which actually does violently suppress the rights, voice of its people, has no such thing as a 'proper' election and has been ruled by a dictator for life since its founding, and incarcerate generations of family in prison camps, as well as execute people over relatively bad crimes, not to mention the famine likely horrible medical care, if they even have any.
That seems like you support Totalitarianism and Stalinism, the same thing really, to me.
At least in the US you can say the stupid things that you utter regularly, where if you went against the party line in any of these other countries you'd be either thrown in jail or indoctrinated, assuming that in NK they didn't just kill you.
TL:DR:
You don't know what Police State means, and you prop up a violently oppressive regime because of 'muh American Imperialism' shtick.
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