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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:02 am

The of Japan wrote:https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirty ... vored/amp/
Democrats will most likely not flip senate in 2020.


We'll get a better idea of their odds when the nominees start rolling out.
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Postby Cyberpunk America » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:53 am

Either Yang or Weld.

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Postby South Odreria » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:37 am

San Lumen wrote:well lets not jump to conclusions. I truly do believe that we should keep someones private life out of campaigns unless they did something criminal. Several years ago when French President Nicolas Sarkozy divorced his wife in office no one cared or batted an eye.

Can you imagine if Melania divorced Trump and demanded half his money and custody of their son? Washington would cease to function entirely.


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Eternal Lotharia wrote:Rank the 2020 candidates but as music genres and reasoning.

Bernie’s Jazz. Classic, yet still energetic. Able to switch it up when necessary.
Harris is Classical. Very loud at times, and yet soft at others. Not popular with kids.
Warren-dubstep. Puts in much work, gets no respect.
Buttigieg: Elvis era pop. Seems good at first, then you realize that it’s just okay.
O’Rourke. Modern pop. All style, no substance.
Biden: The Police. Hasn’t aged well. Lives off nostalgia.
Yang: Electronic. Futuristic, and forward thinking, yet very polarizing. Semi obscure.
Gravel: Soul. Old, yet still good. Impassioned.
Trump: Mumble rap. It’s all fake.


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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:50 am

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Rank the 2020 candidates but as music genres and reasoning.

Bernie’s Jazz. Classic, yet still energetic. Able to switch it up when necessary.
Harris is Classical. Very loud at times, and yet soft at others. Not popular with kids.
Warren-dubstep. Puts in much work, gets no respect.
Buttigieg: Elvis era pop. Seems good at first, then you realize that it’s just okay.
O’Rourke. Modern pop. All style, no substance.
Biden: The Police. Hasn’t aged well. Lives off nostalgia.
Yang: Electronic. Futuristic, and forward thinking, yet very polarizing. Semi obscure.
Gravel: Soul. Old, yet still good. Impassioned.
Trump: Mumble rap. It’s all fake.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:02 am

I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:02 am

Valrifell wrote:
The of Japan wrote:https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirty ... vored/amp/
Democrats will most likely not flip senate in 2020.


We'll get a better idea of their odds when the nominees start rolling out.

Jeb! is going to win every single seat. Mark my words.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:12 am

Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".

Apparently Warren's latest thing is wanting universal free public college and to cancel all student debt.
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Postby Page » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:16 am

Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".


Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".

Apparently Warren's latest thing is wanting universal free public college and to cancel all student debt.

Yep.

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Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".


Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.

I'd say Beto O'Rourke is the most egregious example of this.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:22 am

Page wrote:
Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".


Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.


The president is a celebrity and a product. Nobody would've cared about Jack Kennedy if he was bald, overweight, and had a thick Wisconsin accent.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:26 am

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Page wrote:
Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.


The president is a celebrity and a product. Nobody would've cared about Jack Kennedy if he was bald, overweight, and had a thick Wisconsin accent.


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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:27 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
The president is a celebrity and a product. Nobody would've cared about Jack Kennedy if he was bald, overweight, and had a thick Wisconsin accent.


“Cheese and crackers guys, don’t ask what your country can do for you but ask yourself would would Brett do for his country”


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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:29 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Page wrote:
Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.


The president is a celebrity and a product. Nobody would've cared about Jack Kennedy if he was bald, overweight, and had a thick Wisconsin accent.

Yeah, Trump only won because he's so hot.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
The president is a celebrity and a product. Nobody would've cared about Jack Kennedy if he was bald, overweight, and had a thick Wisconsin accent.

Yeah, Trump only won because he's so hot.


Trump's brand was hot. This is obvious.

His brand was never based on his physical appearance, as well.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:53 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, Trump only won because he's so hot.


Trump's brand was hot. This is obvious.

His brand was never based on his physical appearance, as well.

Yes, his hotels and golf courses and reality TV show were extremely hot.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Trump's brand was hot. This is obvious.

His brand was never based on his physical appearance, as well.

Yes, his hotels and golf courses and reality TV show were extremely hot.

His Steak and Vodka were on fire.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:56 am

Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes, his hotels and golf courses and reality TV show were extremely hot.

His Steak and Vodka were on fire.

Those were the serving suggestions, yes.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:His Steak and Vodka were on fire.

Those were the serving suggestions, yes.

Well Done, with ketchup.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:59 am

All this hate on ketchup is undeserved tbh, it goes well with almost everything.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:11 am

Page wrote:
Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".


Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.


It's because Sanders offers a really popular narrative:

"I'm an outsider, vote me in and I'll fix the rotten corrupt Washington core and bring about a glorious revolution and everyone will be better off!" It's more that he sticks to talking points that relate to that narrative rather than getting into the nitty gritty
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:12 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:All this hate on ketchup is undeserved tbh, it goes well with almost everything.


That's the problem, see.

It can go on everything, but putting it on everything implies a lack of tact or class and also may indicate what you're eating is not very good.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:26 am

Page wrote:
Liriena wrote:I feel a bit bad for Warren. Her platform so far has been very, very good. She definitely deserves to be polling better than Biden, whose platform seems to be "grampa who speaks his mind, loves hugs and wants to privatize social security".


Warren is my third choice, but I agree. It's an unfortunate reality that a huge chunk of the electorate are uninterested in the finer details of policy and instead seek out whichever candidate has the most appealing personality. This problem is much worse with Republicans but quite a lot of Democrats are afflicted by it too. It's a wonder that Bernie Sanders became so popular despite his unflinching commitment to talking about policy, you could ask him what his favorite cheese is and his answer would include Medicare for All and a living wage.


People perceived as "wonkish" in regards to policy often flounder in the polls - it's quite frustrating, especially given that the policy wonk candidates tend to have the most fleshed out platforms and visions, just without the necessary charisma to deliver these points to a broader base.

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:33 am

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You’re assuming an awful lot just because I don’t want to pay high taxes

you made it quite clear earlier you only care about the size of your wallet.


No you have assumed the position that people who don’t want high taxes only care about themselves. And thus accuse me under these pretenses. Your position is inherently flawed, and thus your smear unwarranted. But getting you to understand that seems is a dauntless challenge
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:38 am



Who told him that was a good idea? Unfortunately for Moulton, he suffers low name recognition and the Massachusetts Democratic Party is going to funnel resources and time behind Warren.

Ryan, Swalwell, Delaney, Moulton, they won't even make it to Iowa, for better or for worse.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:39 am

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:you made it quite clear earlier you only care about the size of your wallet.


No you have assumed the position that people who don’t want high taxes only care about themselves. And thus accuse me under these pretenses. Your position is inherently flawed, and thus your smear unwarranted. But getting you to understand that seems is a dauntless challenge

based on previous statements you've made I find that hard to believe

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