Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Damn emus plotting for world domination again.
True. Upvote this dispatch to prove Australia is plotting to end all human life.
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by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:34 pm
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Damn emus plotting for world domination again.
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:41 pm
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Proctopeo » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:21 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?(Image)
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?
by The Confederate Soldier » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:23 pm
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Damn AustrALIENS and Chinese banning the internet again.
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:47 pm
Proctopeo wrote:No, that's fucking stupid.
Online anonymity is a very important thing, regardless of if it happens to allow people to be dicks or believe things which are objectively wrong.
by Proctopeo » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:28 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:Proctopeo wrote:No, that's fucking stupid.
Online anonymity is a very important thing, regardless of if it happens to allow people to be dicks or believe things which are objectively wrong.
That is such a weird thing to me. Why would online space be any different to physical space? We generally don't consider IRL anonymity that important, because we have all sorts of requirements to identify ourselves in our real world interactions with others, and many consider the lack of anonymity very important, if various Burqa threads are any indication.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:37 pm
Proctopeo wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?(Image)
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?
No, that's fucking stupid.
Online anonymity is a very important thing, regardless of if it happens to allow people to be dicks or believe things which are objectively wrong.
by Proctopeo » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:38 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Proctopeo wrote:No, that's fucking stupid.
Online anonymity is a very important thing, regardless of if it happens to allow people to be dicks or believe things which are objectively wrong.
I admit that I was wrong here, but the concept of this law is atleast sound in its atempt to end misinformation.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:35 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Government overstepping at its finest. Hate speech is grotesque, but it is not an impressing enough concern to sacrifice civil liberties, and it shouldn't be illegal in the first place.
Yeah, this whole situation is so sad, Liberno. Can we just privatize the shiz outta Austria and repeal all this censoring nonsense?
by Socialist Workers Combine » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:16 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:1. Stop corrupting my nation name in a condescending way. I don't appreciate it.
by Estanglia » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:10 am
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by The of Japan » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:13 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Proctopeo wrote:No, that's fucking stupid.
Online anonymity is a very important thing, regardless of if it happens to allow people to be dicks or believe things which are objectively wrong.
I admit that I was wrong here, but the concept of this law is atleast sound in its atempt to end misinformation.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:39 am
by Novus America » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:58 am
by Novus America » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:08 am
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by Cyberpunk America » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:51 am
Novus America wrote:I will try to find the articles, but basically the internet as we know it will soon be at an end, fragmented along country lines.
Different countries will have different nets with varying (but limited) degrees of connectivity.
by Novus America » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 am
by Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:56 am
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by Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:57 am
Novus America wrote:Cyberpunk America wrote:
plz link
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/ ... l-network/
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190 ... rnet.shtml
Here are some articles.
It is simple really. If some content is illegal in some countries but not in others, providers are going to offer different content in different countries.
A common, single internet requires common regulations or no regulations at all.
When every country has different internet laws, one internet cannot exist.
And in more extreme cases like Russia and China who are deliberately trying to separate the internet (“sovereign internet) and create a separate internet they can use as in instrument of government control an block content they do not like.
The fracturing of the internet from EU rules is not intentional, but Chinese and Russia are deliberately attempting to fracture it so they can solely control their pieces.
Basically the internet is doomed.
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by Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:59 am
Torrocca wrote:Counterpoint: Facebook.
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by Proctopeo » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:10 am
Liriena wrote:At first I was like "yay", but then I remembered mass surveillance and closeted LGBT+ people (specially in extremely bigoted societies) and I was like "ummmm".
The upside of this policy is that it would make trolls' work a lot harder, and undermine extremists ability to organize online and spread hate speech with impunity by depriving them of anonymity. But the huge downside is that everyone else would also be left more vulnerable to governmental overreach in online surveillance (and China is a fairly good example of why that should scare us) as well as targeted harassment by private individuals.
by Liriena » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:11 am
Proctopeo wrote:Liriena wrote:At first I was like "yay", but then I remembered mass surveillance and closeted LGBT+ people (specially in extremely bigoted societies) and I was like "ummmm".
The upside of this policy is that it would make trolls' work a lot harder, and undermine extremists ability to organize online and spread hate speech with impunity by depriving them of anonymity. But the huge downside is that everyone else would also be left more vulnerable to governmental overreach in online surveillance (and China is a fairly good example of why that should scare us) as well as targeted harassment by private individuals.
It's good you have reservations, though I'm worried that your first response was "yay".
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by Far Easter Republic » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:18 am
Shofercia wrote:Shrillland wrote:From EnGadget: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/austria-draft-law-would-require-real-names-for-internet-comments/ar-BBW9gcS?li=BBnbcA1
and Der Standard: https://derstandard.at/2000101677286/Government-Seeks-to-Eliminate-Internet-Anonymity-With-Severe-PenaltiesIt's not just China that wants to reduce anonymity online. Austria's government has introduced a draft law that would require you to provide your real name and address to larger sites before commenting. You could still use a nickname in public, but authorities would have an easy way to find you if they believe you're harassing users or otherwise violating the law. Companies that didn't honor the law could face fines up to €500,000 (about $562,000) if they didn't comply, and twice that with a repeat offense.
It would only affect sites with more than 100,000 registered users, bring in revenues above €500,000 per year or receive press subsidies larger than €50,000. There would also be exemptions for e-commerce sites as well as those that don't earn money from either ads or the content itself.
If passed and cleared by the EU, the law would take effect in 2020.
There are a number of concerns about the draft, though, and many revolve around those exceptions. They're meant to give young sites a chance to grow before they police their users, but they might actually protect the communities most likely to engage in abusive comments, such as hate groups that may have small bases and no advertising. There's even a potential conflict of interest -- the law might protect the ruling party's junior partner in government, the populist Freedom Party, from having to curb hate speech on its sites.
The EU might balk at the law, too, as it could punish European companies more harshly than in their countries of origin.
As always, there's also the simple question of privacy. While requiring names and addresses could discourage harassment and hate speech, it might also discourage people from coming forward with insightful stories and opinions. Moreover, this would turn sites into veritable gold mines for hackers -- if they could breach a database, they might swipe personal information for thousands or millions of users. Simply put, there could be a chilling effect on freedom of expression even as Austria attempts to preserve it.
In short, Austria's government is now putting up a bill in Parliament that's going to require people to put their real names and addresses down for web sites before they could use message boards in many cases should it pass. They'd still publish with their nicknames, but the authorities can more easily find people who are writing hate speech or potentially violent speech. There are so many loopholes and exceptions that some larger sites such as the Freedom Party's own website would be exempt. What's your view on this, NSG?
For me, this is obviously a terrible idea. Not only will people be more justly afraid of surveillance than usual, but putting all that information on the net is, as the Engadget article points out, just asking for hackers to come in and start feasting. Plus, there's no real way to explain how this would curb hate speech anyway since most sites that have it would be too small to be monitored under the exemptions.
Could this lead to a ban of NSG in Austria?
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