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by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:53 am
by Abserdia » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:07 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Bralia wrote:What's appealing to you most?
Its just a general appeal to it now that is surfacing, it just looks like a more interesting EU4 now because i got burnt out on that game and have not played it in years. Im not completely sold on it yet though.
I like the character based stuff, all the different traits and skills and the varied populations in the game.
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:29 am
Abserdia wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Its just a general appeal to it now that is surfacing, it just looks like a more interesting EU4 now because i got burnt out on that game and have not played it in years. Im not completely sold on it yet though.
I like the character based stuff, all the different traits and skills and the varied populations in the game.
Same. If it ends up being EU4 with characters and fewer necessary mechanics behind DLC, then I’m all for it.
I just hope there’s actual challenge when you become a large empire.
by Purpelia » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:41 pm
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:46 pm
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:12 pm
Purpelia wrote:We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:56 pm
Purpelia wrote:We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:01 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:Purpelia wrote:We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.
CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.
So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:13 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:Purpelia wrote:We already know what the latest date is that they are going to have the game end at. The start of CK2. Anything else wouldn't make sense from a continuity standpoint.
CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.
So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Dawetid » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:15 pm
Impaled Nazarene wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.
So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.
Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Banned because all hail ban-hammer, the only true ruler and savior of this thread.
[REDACTED] wrote:Although, let's talk about your obsession with ŋ, k, and j.
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:20 pm
Dawetid wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.
Can't you change the start date and bookmarks? The history is all recorded, only lacking events.
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Dawetid » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:26 pm
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Dawetid wrote:Can't you change the start date and bookmarks? The history is all recorded, only lacking events.
You cannot. You can select Charlemagne and Viking Era but you can only input custom dates from 1066-1337 thus making 900-1065 (ignoring how ahistorical the 1066 start date is) completely inaccessible.
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Banned because all hail ban-hammer, the only true ruler and savior of this thread.
[REDACTED] wrote:Although, let's talk about your obsession with ŋ, k, and j.
by Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:37 pm
Dawetid wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:You cannot. You can select Charlemagne and Viking Era but you can only input custom dates from 1066-1337 thus making 900-1065 (ignoring how ahistorical the 1066 start date is) completely inaccessible.
I meant, editing the files to change the start date (or making a minimal mod for that), even to those before 769.
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:39 pm
Impaled Nazarene wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.
So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.
Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
CKII's earliest start date should've been immediately after the Fall of Rome. I mean, despite the name the game is focused on the Middle Ages in general and they already pushed it back to the 9th and 8th centuries with Old Gods and Charlemagne anyway so what harm could there be in pushing it back to the late 5th century? There could even be special start dates in-between like one just prior to Justinian's conquests (which could play out through special events like with Charlemagne) and immediately after, or one right at the Battle of Yarmouk with the Byzantines, their Arab Christian allies, and the Persians all at war with the young Islamic Caliphate. Earlier start dates could have a 'Rise of Islam' special event that occurs in the 7th century that would only occur under special conditions and special events would occur as the Caliphate expands. There'd be other cool shit too, like Syagrius, Odoacer, Ostrogothic invasion of Italy by Theodoric the Great, Avars at the height of their power, independent Suebi rulers in Iberia, mostly-Celtic Britannia, Hepthalites, Gupta, Rouran, Himyar, Vandals, Visigoths at the height of their power, Lombard invasion of Italy, Lakhmids & Ghassanids, Anglo-Saxon migration to Britannia, Sassanids, Western Gokturks, Aksumite Empire, Slav Kingdom under Samo, Old Great Bulgaria, Umayyads at the height of their power, Slav migrations into the Balkans, Khazars at their height of their power, etc.
So much good stuff and interesting points of history missed out on.
If they put it back that far, they would have to include Muhammad.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:42 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:Most people and some historians like to separate the period between the Fall of Rome and the Renaissance (Middle Ages) into several smaller periods.
Typically the way I do it (not a real historian, but my degree doesn't exactly disqualify me from having an opinion.)
Dark Age: F.O.R. - Norman England
-----True Dark Age: F.O.R. - Carolingian Europe
-----Pre-Medieval age: Carolingian Europe - Norman England
---------------------------Viking Age
Medieval Period: Norman England - 4th Crusade/Mongol Invasion
And so forth. I'm not going to list them all.
The point is that most medieval games and other media ignore the true dark age as part of the middle ages. I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne, but I agree I would love a game that lets us play dark ages. Hell I would love the ability to play the 10th century too that was a fun era but for some reason paradox only gave us bookmarks instead of letting us selecting a custom date before 1066.
Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.United Muscovite Nations wrote:If they put it back that far, they would have to include Muhammad.
Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.
by Hanafuridake » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:53 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.
Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.
Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:23 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Imperial Reach wrote:
Most historians do not, however. The Middle Ages is almost universally accepted as being from the Fall of Rome to the Fall of Constantinople. Some might say they started later and ended later, but this is not the widely accepted classification.
Muhammad is already in the game, he's just dead.
Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:27 pm
The Imperial Reach wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, but making Muhammad a character you can do things to complicates matters.
That's an easy workaround: just make the Rise of Islam event a singular event that just props up the Caliphate under Abu Bakr controlling all of Arabia with a little flavor text explaining how it go there.
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by The Imperial Reach » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:59 pm
by Bralia » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:14 pm
by Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:21 pm
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by The Huskar Social Union » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:31 am
Bralia wrote:So I just discovered what I imagine Huskar probably discovered . . . apparently some Youtubers have already started some Imperator games? This is what I've been waiting for, I haven't been interested in watching Dev streams, but I'm going to be jumping on Youtuber streams.
Like, subscribe and comment in MATN's video, I've seen people on the Paradox forums really enjoy this one.
by Hanafuridake » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:02 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I think it was generous of paradox to give us Charlemagne,
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
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