by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:50 pm
by Ulrich Schmid » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:58 pm
by Badb Catha » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:05 pm
by First American Empire » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:04 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:14 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Would any of us wish to be in such a condition?
by Thanatttynia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:25 pm
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:27 pm
First American Empire wrote:Transphobia is immoral just like homophobia, and I want no part of any religious organization that supports either. Christianity is dying in the west because young people want nothing to do with the hatred and immorality of homophobic and transphobic churches.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:31 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:It's a good argument. Treating others with compassion is a great rule to live by.
I'm curious as to your stance on trans people engaging in sexual activity? Assuming you think homosexual activity is a sin, it would seem that the only solution would be for trans people to be celibate (as many churches recommend LGB people be,) but I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:31 pm
Grenartia wrote:First American Empire wrote:Transphobia is immoral just like homophobia, and I want no part of any religious organization that supports either. Christianity is dying in the west because young people want nothing to do with the hatred and immorality of homophobic and transphobic churches.
Pretty much this. You cannot neatly separate continued homophobia and acceptance for trans people. At least not ethically. *stares at Iran*
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:33 pm
Grenartia wrote:
Pretty much this. You cannot neatly separate continued homophobia and acceptance for trans people. At least not ethically. *stares at Iran*
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:36 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:It's a good argument. Treating others with compassion is a great rule to live by.
I'm curious as to your stance on trans people engaging in sexual activity? Assuming you think homosexual activity is a sin, it would seem that the only solution would be for trans people to be celibate (as many churches recommend LGB people be,) but I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
That I'm not sure about, but I lean towards accepting sexual activity by trans people as long as it isn't sodomy.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:37 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:37 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Assuming you think homosexual activity is a sin, it would seem that the only solution would be for trans people to be celibate
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:40 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That I'm not sure about, but I lean towards accepting sexual activity by trans people as long as it isn't sodomy.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:41 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:42 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, I'd rather not.
by Thanatttynia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:44 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:It's a good argument. Treating others with compassion is a great rule to live by.
I'm curious as to your stance on trans people engaging in sexual activity? Assuming you think homosexual activity is a sin, it would seem that the only solution would be for trans people to be celibate (as many churches recommend LGB people be,) but I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
That I'm not sure about, but I lean towards accepting sexual activity by trans people as long as it isn't sodomy.
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:47 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:48 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:It's a sort of interesting sort-of-contradictory quandary.
by Conserative Morality » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:52 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:53 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Soviet Computocracy wrote:Then I guess you’ll have to believe, in your heart of hearts, that no one would dare do butt stuff against the wishes of ancient Jewish writers.
To UMN it's more or less a teaching issue, and those kinds of issues really only matter for the people who want to sincerely be in good standing with the faith.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:54 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Soviet Computocracy wrote:I wouldn’t say it’s he only solution.
Well, homosexual activity is sexual activity between people of the same sex or gender... two transgender people could be of the same sex but opposite genders, or conversely of the opposite sex but the same gender, which would really make all sexual activity between transgender people homosexual activity. It's a sort of interesting sort-of-contradictory quandary.United Muscovite Nations wrote:That I'm not sure about, but I lean towards accepting sexual activity by trans people as long as it isn't sodomy.
i.e. that it was between someone born male and someone born female? or literally sodomy?
And I edited this into my post but took too long before you replied lol:
Also, your argument rests on the idea (which I agree with) that it is a greater sin to deny trans people the opportunity to transition than it is to lead them to sins like suicide. Would you extend this same argument to other behaviours traditionally condemned by many churches? I ask since I get that the paucity of references to it in the Bible or by Christian thinkers and leaders indicates that being transgender or accepting transgenderism is not necessarily unloving towards God (or towards the 'sinner' were it a sin,) whereas other behaviours are referenced by those sources... but I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the matter. I guess it would depend on whether or not you believe the Bible is the literal and uncorrupted word of God, but even so extending that same compassion to other behaviours would, I feel, follow the spirit of the word of God, if not the letter.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:55 pm
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:56 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:56 pm
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