2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Mystic Warriors]

Twisting everything I post won't won you any points. I put nothing on her.

Then why on Earth did you talk about her age and her being 'easily creeped out'?

Because she is 13 and 13 year olds are easily creep out.

No blame, just a statement of fact.

[Ngelmish]

She was obviously creeped out by the interaction with Biden - and you admitted so much. In your post, you put the responsibility for that on her. Does that really seem fair to you?

Twisting everything I post won't won you any points. I put nothing on her.

I mean, you did write this

It's real enough. Check Blargoblarg's video link above. You can see the entire creepy scene in it.

You mean him whispering something to her? She 13 and easily creeped out.

And the bolded is, at best, dismissive of the girl's reaction. Calling it victim blaming is not really a stretch, especially considering your first stated opinion on the subject.

So Joe Biden is under scrutiny for his documented history of inappropriately touching women.

That's bound to not be great for his chances in the Democratic primaries, if he still chooses to run.

I dont care about this political assassination attempt.

The generous interpretation of this is not that you dismiss the feelings and reactions of women who feel that Biden has inappropriately touched them, but that you question the good faith of third parties arguing that it reflects badly on him. Of course, you didn't go on to make that argument, you went on to handwave a different particular incident

[Cannot think of a name]

Thank god we're finally getting to the important issues like parsing out the emotional state of a five second interaction with a single kid and exactly where one poster stands on it.

[Hediacrana]

Thank god we're finally getting to the important issues like parsing out the emotional state of a five second interaction with a single kid and exactly where one poster stands on it.

As I've said from the start of this conversation, the problem is Biden's well-documented long-standing habit of touching women (many women) inappropriately - not just this particular case. But this is the case that Mystic Warriors chose to set their teeth in and make exonerating, though ill-substantiated statements about, so that's what we are discussing now.

[Cannot think of a name]

Thank god we're finally getting to the important issues like parsing out the emotional state of a five second interaction with a single kid and exactly where one poster stands on it.

As I've said from the start of this conversation, the problem is Biden's well-documented long-standing habit of touching women (many women) inappropriately - not just this particular case. But this is the case that Mystic Warriors chose to set their teeth in and make exonerating, though ill-substantiated statements about, so that's what we are discussing now.

It's not my fault I'm belaboring this single issue!

[United Dependencies]

Man fuck the 2020 presidential election. We should be shortening the presidential campaign season. Let the government govern for a moment.

[Hediacrana]

As I've said from the start of this conversation, the problem is Biden's well-documented long-standing habit of touching women (many women) inappropriately - not just this particular case. But this is the case that Mystic Warriors chose to set their teeth in and make exonerating, though ill-substantiated statements about, so that's what we are discussing now.

It's not my fault I'm belaboring this single issue!

So which of the people Biden was creepy with would you rather discuss than the one we've been talking about?

[Cannot think of a name]

Man fuck the 2020 presidential election. We should be shortening the presidential campaign season. Let the government govern for a moment.

Preach

[Hardholm]

HoR are rendered useless by having to campaign and fundraise as soon as they win, Senate was never meant to represent "the people", they're supposed to represent the states, and this political cycle hasn't ended since the last presidential election. Groan.

[United Dependencies]

Man fuck the 2020 presidential election. We should be shortening the presidential campaign season. Let the government govern for a moment.

Preach

I will say that, unlike other countries that have defined campaign seasons, the primary system here in the US does kind of screw things up. I think the best resolution would be to tighten up the primary election season and then push it closer to the conventions. Primaries, at the earliest, should begin in mid-late May and the Convention should happen in late August-Early September. I could also be convinced that mid September would be a good date as well.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's not my fault I'm belaboring this single issue!

So which of the people Biden was creepy with would you rather discuss than the one we've been talking about?

Yeah, that was the goal.

[United Dependencies]

I will say that, unlike other countries that have defined campaign seasons, the primary system here in the US does kind of screw things up. I think the best resolution would be to tighten up the primary election season and then push it closer to the conventions. Primaries, at the earliest, should begin in mid-late May and the Convention should happen in late August-Early September. I could also be convinced that mid September would be a good date as well.

Well, it does make it hard for younger, less known candidates to win.

Yeah that would be the balancing act that we would have to make. I think a great deal of that can be resolved by cutting out the empty time between the end of the primary and the nominating convention and pushing the nominating convention closer to the election. At that point we could try to arrange the primaries from smallish states to largish states. Or at least put enough time between primary elections so that a candidate could reasonably traverse Texas or California.

[Cannot think of a name]

I will say that, unlike other countries that have defined campaign seasons, the primary system here in the US does kind of screw things up. I think the best resolution would be to tighten up the primary election season and then push it closer to the conventions. Primaries, at the earliest, should begin in mid-late May and the Convention should happen in late August-Early September. I could also be convinced that mid September would be a good date as well.

Well, it does make it hard for younger, less known candidates to win.

Part of it has to come with campaign finance reform. Even with our endless campaign cycle moneyed candidates have a built in advantage. Insurgent candidacies have upset the cart, particularly in cases like the last couple of democratic primaries. Though it's worth noting that both Obama and Sanders didn't make their mark this far out. Obama emerged closer to the actual primaries, at this point in the 2008 cycle all we were talking about is the clearly inevitable general election match up of Clinton v Giuliani.

A part of me wants to say "Well, if you want to get that name recognition don't do it fundraising, accomplish some shit instead." But I know that's uneven as well. But I do think some finance reform would temper that to a degree.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, it does make it hard for younger, less known candidates to win.

Yeah that would be the balancing act that we would have to make. I think a great deal of that can be resolved by cutting out the empty time between the end of the primary and the nominating convention and pushing the nominating convention closer to the election. At that point we could try to arrange the primaries from smallish states to largish states. Or at least put enough time between primary elections so that a candidate could reasonably traverse Texas or California.

Candidates only ever come to Cali to hit the ATM.

[United Dependencies]

Candidates only ever come to Cali to hit the ATM.

I'm sure you're aware of all of this, but I'll say it anyway just for the sake of itself:

The large size of Cali makes it hard to put it early in the process, but it is unfair to California voters that they have to wait to vote in a primary. It diminishes their ability to decide who the party nominee is. Combined with the fact that CA votes pretty reliably D and it kinda shuts out Californians from actually getting to decide who the president could be.

There was a proposal that put the primary elections on a rotating basis. I don't think CA could get to the front, but it might be able to get closer every now and again.

[Cannot think of a name]

Candidates only ever come to Cali to hit the ATM.

I'm sure you're aware of all of this, but I'll say it anyway just for the sake of itself:

The large size of Cali makes it hard to put it early in the process, but it is unfair to California voters that they have to wait to vote in a primary. It diminishes their ability to decide who the party nominee is. Combined with the fact that CA votes pretty reliably D and it kinda shuts out Californians from actually getting to decide who the president could be.

There was a proposal that put the primary elections on a rotating basis. I don't think CA could get to the front, but it might be able to get closer every now and again.

It's an issue we grouse about every primary. We represent 12 percent of the US population and by the time they get around to us most of the time the matter is settled. We don't need to be first, but we'd like a say. I think we moved up two or three elections ago, but so did everyone.

[Mystic Warriors]

Yeah that would be the balancing act that we would have to make. I think a great deal of that can be resolved by cutting out the empty time between the end of the primary and the nominating convention and pushing the nominating convention closer to the election. At that point we could try to arrange the primaries from smallish states to largish states. Or at least put enough time between primary elections so that a candidate could reasonably traverse Texas or California.

Candidates only ever come to Cali to hit the ATM.

The Democrats could ignore us for 20 years and still win by 12 points.

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My state doesn't have a Senate race this time around. But generally I speaking I always vote for Democrats and then feel annoyed about there being no realistic third party alternative.

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There was a proposal that put the primary elections on a rotating basis. I don't think CA could get to the front, but it might be able to get closer every now and again.

I favor open primaries in every state + a completely randomized primary schedule every election. Put all the names of the states in a hat and draw them randomly, so maybe the next time instead of Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada you get Alabama, Hawaii, and Montana. That would surely shake things up.

[Valrifell]

I'm sure you're aware of all of this, but I'll say it anyway just for the sake of itself:

The large size of Cali makes it hard to put it early in the process, but it is unfair to California voters that they have to wait to vote in a primary. It diminishes their ability to decide who the party nominee is. Combined with the fact that CA votes pretty reliably D and it kinda shuts out Californians from actually getting to decide who the president could be.

There was a proposal that put the primary elections on a rotating basis. I don't think CA could get to the front, but it might be able to get closer every now and again.

It's an issue we grouse about every primary. We represent 12 percent of the US population and by the time they get around to us most of the time the matter is settled. We don't need to be first, but we'd like a say. I think we moved up two or three elections ago, but so did everyone.

You're on Super Tuesday now, iirc. At least you're not a June state ;-;

Also, primary season won't move down but move further up as states clamour for more representation and Iowa has it enshrined in law that they go first always and forever. Not to mention a party challenging an incumbent is at even more of a disadvantage if they can't start their national campaign before September whereas the sitting President was all over the place.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's an issue we grouse about every primary. We represent 12 percent of the US population and by the time they get around to us most of the time the matter is settled. We don't need to be first, but we'd like a say. I think we moved up two or three elections ago, but so did everyone.

You're on Super Tuesday now, iirc. At least you're not a June state ;-;

Also, primary season won't move down but move further up as states clamour for more representation and Iowa has it enshrined in law that they go first always and forever. Not to mention a party challenging an incumbent is at even more of a disadvantage if they can't start their national campaign before September whereas the sitting President was all over the place.

Honestly, Super Tuesday is about where we belong. We're a big prize but I don't know that we need to be all special and separate. It sort of means you have to spend time with us because of our size but if you just spend time with us to the detriment of the other states you'll shoot yourself in the foot. It's a fair compromise.

[Cerinda]

I am the senate.

[San Lumen]

I am the senate.

Not yet

[Adad Civilization]

N/A, Can't vote xd

Would vote Libertarian if I could though

[Zurkerx]

I feel that every State should hold their Primary/Caucus on the same day and then used a runoff or rank voting system. It's kind of dumb that a few States in the beginning can decide whether one succeeds or not, especially among States that have few electoral votes. My brief rant of the day /r