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by Bear Stearns » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:43 am
Farnhamia wrote:Bear Stearns wrote:
You're ignoring votes in Northern states that went to Breckinridge that would have gone to Douglas.
Yes, I was, but having checked Pennsylvania,New York, Massachusetts, and Ohio on Wiki's map for the 1860 election, I don't see Breckenridge's numbers adding to victory for Douglas in those states. Those four states add up to 98 EC votes. Check it out yourself.
Edit: I took out New York because Douglas and Breckenridge ran together on a fusion ticket. That takes the 98 EC votes down to 63. Not enough.
by Vassenor » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:26 pm
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:34 pm
by The Black Forrest » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:24 pm
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:27 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:39 pm
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:51 pm
by Myrensis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:06 pm
Gormwood wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Can't even take a win.
Not a surprise he couldn't grasp that the Mueller Probe started because he fired James Comey to shut down the FBI investigation- which he admitted to on live TV. The pettiness is going to be rather destructive, although I am a bit surprised he hasn't ordered the Justice Department to prosecute Hillary Clinton on... well, whatever someone comes up with.
by Northern Davincia » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:24 pm
Myrensis wrote:Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise he couldn't grasp that the Mueller Probe started because he fired James Comey to shut down the FBI investigation- which he admitted to on live TV. The pettiness is going to be rather destructive, although I am a bit surprised he hasn't ordered the Justice Department to prosecute Hillary Clinton on... well, whatever someone comes up with.
I'm more amused that they've been making the rounds lately with the "Oh, our campaign was too incompetent and disorganized to collude!", but neglecting to mention that his Administration was too incompetent and disorganized to avoid constantly incriminating themselves in something they didn't actually do.
"Nobody in my campaign ever met with any Russians."
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"Okay, we did meet with the Russians but it wasn't about the election."
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"Okay, we met with the Russians and it was about the election, but wasn't about them helping us."
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"Okay, they specifically asked to meet with us to offer information on Hillary because they wanted to help us, but we didn't take it."
Trump fires Comey and goes on TV and says it was because he was annoyed that he refused to shut down the Russia investigation.
Trumps lawyer Noun Verb 9/11 Giuliani goes on TV and says maybe there was some collusion, but Trump wasn't involved or aware of it, so it's fine!
Republicans: How could any of that possibly make anyone think there was any sort of collusion with the Russians?!? Witch Hunt!! Deep State!!
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Mystic Warriors » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:27 pm
Gormwood wrote:Rezmaeristan wrote:What are your thoughts on this obstruction charge? As far as I can tell no efforts were made to sabotage the investigation; the worst Trump did was call it a witch hunt or suggest it was some conspiracy against him.
And fire an FBI director before announcing on live TV he did it to end the investigation.
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:28 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Myrensis wrote:
I'm more amused that they've been making the rounds lately with the "Oh, our campaign was too incompetent and disorganized to collude!", but neglecting to mention that his Administration was too incompetent and disorganized to avoid constantly incriminating themselves in something they didn't actually do.
"Nobody in my campaign ever met with any Russians."
.
"Okay, we did meet with the Russians but it wasn't about the election."
.
"Okay, we met with the Russians and it was about the election, but wasn't about them helping us."
.
"Okay, they specifically asked to meet with us to offer information on Hillary because they wanted to help us, but we didn't take it."
Trump fires Comey and goes on TV and says it was because he was annoyed that he refused to shut down the Russia investigation.
Trumps lawyer Noun Verb 9/11 Giuliani goes on TV and says maybe there was some collusion, but Trump wasn't involved or aware of it, so it's fine!
Republicans: How could any of that possibly make anyone think there was any sort of collusion with the Russians?!? Witch Hunt!! Deep State!!
The moral of the story is that jumping to conclusions is a bad idea.
by Myrensis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:32 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Myrensis wrote:
I'm more amused that they've been making the rounds lately with the "Oh, our campaign was too incompetent and disorganized to collude!", but neglecting to mention that his Administration was too incompetent and disorganized to avoid constantly incriminating themselves in something they didn't actually do.
"Nobody in my campaign ever met with any Russians."
.
"Okay, we did meet with the Russians but it wasn't about the election."
.
"Okay, we met with the Russians and it was about the election, but wasn't about them helping us."
.
"Okay, they specifically asked to meet with us to offer information on Hillary because they wanted to help us, but we didn't take it."
Trump fires Comey and goes on TV and says it was because he was annoyed that he refused to shut down the Russia investigation.
Trumps lawyer Noun Verb 9/11 Giuliani goes on TV and says maybe there was some collusion, but Trump wasn't involved or aware of it, so it's fine!
Republicans: How could any of that possibly make anyone think there was any sort of collusion with the Russians?!? Witch Hunt!! Deep State!!
The moral of the story is that jumping to conclusions is a bad idea.
by Northern Davincia » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:44 pm
Myrensis wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:The moral of the story is that jumping to conclusions is a bad idea.
So, the moral of the story is that law enforcement should just take the word of people they suspect of wrong doing? Not fair to conduct an investigation if they pinky swear they're totally innocent.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Proctopeo » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:30 pm
Myrensis wrote:
So, the moral of the story is that law enforcement should just take the word of people they suspect of wrong doing? Not fair to conduct an investigation if they pinky swear they're totally innocent.
I have no idea how you extrapolated that. If there is an additional moral, it's that waiting for an investigation to be over is the best option.
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:07 pm
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:13 pm
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:17 pm
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:18 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Did the report specify between the Trump campaign and Trump the man?
I don't think Trump was directly involved but at this point I find it hard to believe that nobody in his campaign sought that kinda help.
Point was mystic is a perfect representation of the far left right now. They’re convinced trump is guilty, therefore he must have interferes with the investigation, if he hasn’t it would have showed all the evidence.
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:20 pm
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Point was mystic is a perfect representation of the far left right now. They’re convinced trump is guilty, therefore he must have interferes with the investigation, if he hasn’t it would have showed all the evidence.
I don't know why some people need the investigation to prove that Trump is an awful man and a garbage president.
We knew that already.
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:27 pm
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:30 pm
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Cause that’s not enough. He needs to be guilty of crimes accused
Shady as fuck and guilty of heaps of other things. Surrounding himself with people who were indicted and charged over the course of the investigation is never a good look as well. Sad that we can't just take our victories and leave our shortcomings.
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:34 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Shady as fuck and guilty of heaps of other things. Surrounding himself with people who were indicted and charged over the course of the investigation is never a good look as well. Sad that we can't just take our victories and leave our shortcomings.
Sure but that’s all rhetoric until something sticks
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:36 pm
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:Sure but that’s all rhetoric until something sticks
Just need to draw enough Indies away from him as to make his re-election unlikely. Trump himself is helping in this cause by only pandering to the Republican base and not really doing any outreach or attempting to use conciliatory language.
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