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Which Fraction do you Support?

None
24
11%
Government
40
19%
Moralists
13
6%
Nationalists
28
13%
Royalists
41
19%
Renegades
39
18%
Seperatists
11
5%
Stateists
17
8%
 
Total votes : 213

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Uan aa Boa
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Uan aa Boa » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:20 pm

Lux Pulchrae wrote:A precinct is not a death camp though, it's just detainment. No one's is mass murdering these people or creating big over exaggerated death machines ala Auschwitz

YMMV but I certainly didn't read detention in Posteastan's post there. To be absolutely clear, though, the intercepted message Pula showed your delegation is unambiguously a kill list and I was told a while back by the OP that I could share it.

As far as I'm aware nobody other than you has mentioned death camps. In the "hatespeaker" post Gentile quotes on arrival at Villi Island, Pula accuses the Royalist faction of atrocities without saying anything about camps. She's referring to the round-up of alleged communists being described here. As she said to Gentile and d'Umbra, she doesn't believe anyone from Lux was responsible or even knew what was happening. Since these victims were taken to local precincts they are clearly not the people Gentile admits to interning at the airport.
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Cat-Herders United
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Founded: Oct 25, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Cat-Herders United » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:39 pm

Posteastan wrote:
Cat-Herders United wrote:I suppose I could get a few of these Gepards.


Yes, agreed. They work. Sending military without the approval of those controling the ports would also be an invasion.


An invasion? From little old me? Never!

Ok maybe a little police action or liberation, just to give the people their country back after it had been stolen by lawless bandit armies. Or maybe for self defense. ;)

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Shwe Tu Colony
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Postby Shwe Tu Colony » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:10 pm

Posteastan wrote:Sure, why not. I am going to put up something for you. If you want to open restaurants, why not. Just go ahead.


I'm guessing that this opportunity of mine is the 'green zones' of Roztechko and Pibtsy? In that case, I will be sending out of my chef to the latter city after he purchases/rents out a small building for him to work in. A few members of Parfuhmerie's Assassin's Guild will also be present to help manage the resupplying of the restaurant, mostly to help prevent bribes & whatnot from getting through, alongside the Allaneans. They're there to help alleviate the potential increase to demand, though whether or not they'll succeed much, I'll leave it open. Considering who they'd be working with & Parfuhmerian culture itself, though, it's not terribly likely they'd dare betray anyone.
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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:09 am

Shwe Tu Colony wrote:
Posteastan wrote:Sure, why not. I am going to put up something for you. If you want to open restaurants, why not. Just go ahead.


I'm guessing that this opportunity of mine is the 'green zones' of Roztechko and Pibtsy? In that case, I will be sending out of my chef to the latter city after he purchases/rents out a small building for him to work in. A few members of Parfuhmerie's Assassin's Guild will also be present to help manage the resupplying of the restaurant, mostly to help prevent bribes & whatnot from getting through, alongside the Allaneans. They're there to help alleviate the potential increase to demand, though whether or not they'll succeed much, I'll leave it open. Considering who they'd be working with & Parfuhmerian culture itself, though, it's not terribly likely they'd dare betray anyone.


I'm imagining Cassablanca meets Morrowind...
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Posteastan
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Founded: Aug 28, 2018
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Postby Posteastan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:54 am

Rivienland wrote:Also, unless I missed it, does Sir Alexandru have children? I would assume this would be an important factor, because, at least from my perspective, why would anyone support an aging claimant, who has no children, to rebuild a monarchy. Unless some nations have the idea of pulling an European strategy, and installing a different monarch to the throne eventually...


Children...grand children...the whole bouquet. All citizens of Great Nortend

Lux Pulchrae wrote:Correction for the Villi personnel, there are actually four assigned security guards, making the crew at the island six in total.

Also now I got to stop and think of where to start first. Sir Alexander, the Nationalists warning, the Kolvce problem, etc. making it worse going to Villi, hindering administration.

Rivienland wrote:Also, unless I missed it, does Sir Alexandru have children? I would assume this would be an important factor, because, at least from my perspective, why would anyone support an aging claimant, who has no children, to rebuild a monarchy. Unless some nations have the idea of pulling an European strategy, and installing a different monarch to the throne eventually...
Caracasus wrote:Posteastan, if you haven't given any thought to any royal children yet (because let's face it you can't think of everything) I reckon there should be roughly as many royal children as there are nations backing the royalists... maybe one less...

Just thinking in terms of adding new possibilities and drama.


This whole "Royal children" was one of my next subplots coming up lol. Looks like we all got a similar idea.

>Royalists wants totalitarian control with no freedoms.
Who ever said this? Nothing but propaganda, it's even been compromised that the monarchy would be constitutional so working things out with either pseudo-government(most likely Telinburg) would be in the realm of possibilities. People seem to be overlooking the monarchist aspect of Lux Pulchrae and only focus on its fascism.

AND THERE ARE NO DEATH CAMPS. NEVER STATED BY ANYONE ANYWHERE. I mean I'd get it if it was anti-royalist propaganda but does anyone actually believe this?

POST: Also, how many forces would you estimate the militias have? Because the detachment to Lux Pulchrae was 500 soldiers plus some maintenance, medical, and clerical personnel. I'm sure able some bodies men can be conscripted along with the Moralists that surrendered, how much would you figure from them?

Maybe my king should pay a visit again


The militia is quite large at the moment. They could turn away a lot of volunteers. I am still waiting for the exact ORBATS but they are more or less on their way I think. About 1,000 - 2,500? Would that do? You constantly have to pay them, feed them and so on. In total. With all the men awailable for the entire province. Conscripted moralists maybe 200 or so? They were a very large group. Plus about 100 that would volunteer to fight for pay and food. They are former soldiers and the most experienced fighters among the deserters.

Rivienland wrote:Pull off the Red Wedding pt 2 except this time the red is symbolic of a communist plot :)

And the original plan might have been to marry someone to the heir of Posteastan because diplomatic marriages are always fun!

EDIT: Also, I believe Posteastan already posted the same narrative, World Capitalist Confederation.


Yes but I changed that. It was a cooperation.

Lux Pulchrae wrote:A precinct is not a death camp though, it's just detainment. No one's is mass murdering these people or creating big over exaggerated death machines ala Auschwitz


I might need to say that once more: People in Posteastan lie! It is sometimes difficult to RP 'lying' because it is difficult to get information passed on purely based on text but that's what the OOC is fore. They lie! And if they have the oportunity they will do worse things. Like stab their friends in the back. They don't always lie but on occasions they do. And they all want to win. Incredible that the Renegades now are by far the stronges group when it comes to international backing (in the poll).

Caracasus wrote:
Shwe Tu Colony wrote:
I'm guessing that this opportunity of mine is the 'green zones' of Roztechko and Pibtsy? In that case, I will be sending out of my chef to the latter city after he purchases/rents out a small building for him to work in. A few members of Parfuhmerie's Assassin's Guild will also be present to help manage the resupplying of the restaurant, mostly to help prevent bribes & whatnot from getting through, alongside the Allaneans. They're there to help alleviate the potential increase to demand, though whether or not they'll succeed much, I'll leave it open. Considering who they'd be working with & Parfuhmerian culture itself, though, it's not terribly likely they'd dare betray anyone.


I'm imagining Cassablanca meets Morrowind...


It can hardly get any better now, can it?

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Posteastan
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Founded: Aug 28, 2018
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Postby Posteastan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:54 am

Is there anything that's missing from the last post? Or was not adressed? I have the feeling I missed something.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:22 am

Posteastan wrote:Is there anything that's missing from the last post? Or was not adressed? I have the feeling I missed something.

Uh yes, you were congratulated on your chutzpah of calling the Kjalårans "peacekeepers".
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Lux Pulchrae
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Founded: May 15, 2017
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:33 am

There is the response letter to Neacsu but that can be completely forgotten with this new mobilization effort

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Posteastan
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Founded: Aug 28, 2018
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Postby Posteastan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:34 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Posteastan wrote:Is there anything that's missing from the last post? Or was not adressed? I have the feeling I missed something.

Uh yes, you were congratulated on your Chutzpah of calling the Kjalårans "peacekeepers".

Yes! Just realized that. I was about to write a TG but OOC might work a bit better. I have the feeling that you have been sidelined a bit. Which is not a very good way to run an RP. We need to include you better in the stuff. There is a conference on Villi Island that is more or less tasked to deal with the civilian aspects of the conflict in Posteastan and there is a press conference, held by your arch nemesis Construction Enterprises. Both very good ways to enter character based RPs. Journalists from various nations are present at the conference. Everybody else is welcome to voice ideas of better including new participants.

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Posteastan
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Postby Posteastan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:39 am

Lux Pulchrae wrote:There is the response letter to Neacsu but that can be completely forgotten with this new mobilization effort

Damn it! It took me ages to write my part for the london conference. I'll get to both of them probably today.

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Danlina
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Posts: 350
Founded: Jan 16, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Danlina » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:36 am

Hey Cat Herders United can I get a response for my proposal to assist you in Kolvce? I’m just awkwardly waiting for a response from you and from Posteastan (as Kolvce) before I take any action...
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Kaystein
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Founded: Jan 12, 2019
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Postby Kaystein » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:47 pm

Well, the first scene of my planned story with Posteaston has gone up on the IC thread, and you can now read it.

It's incredibly short, and could likely stand to have more detail put in. But in a functional sense, the scene meets the bare necessary requirements of introducing the protagonist and starting the story off on a decent hook.

In case you're wondering what it's about, here's a short blurb.

Costel Vullen is a former soldier burdened by unfair expectations. Faced with a failing marriage, Costel is pressured into taking dangerous mercenary work by his best friend Franklin, hoping the financial rewards will provide a means of fixing his derailing life and let him reconcile with his wife. When the mission goes wrong and his escape is compromised, Costel will find himself thrust into a dystopian world he's little prepared to endure. His skills and morals will be pushed to their limit as he fights for survival in a country tearing itself apart, where it's every man for himself, and trust is in short supply.


This takes place months before the current point of the RP. Again, due to this story, which I'll write in time, the consequence is that the city of Vatgera is free of Renegade control. It's now locally-controlled by the city's native residents, and a resistance faction has formed a garrison in what remains of the spire, a nearby compound.

You can find the IC post here: viewtopic.php?p=35470996#p35470996

On another note, with one of posteaston's recent IC posts, makes me worry about the continuity as they listed a character that is supposed to be the main antagonist in my story. Posteaston, what we discussed is still good, isn't it? Maybe you could come up with another character?
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Cat-Herders United
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Postby Cat-Herders United » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:02 am

Danlina wrote:Hey Cat Herders United can I get a response for my proposal to assist you in Kolvce? I’m just awkwardly waiting for a response from you and from Posteastan (as Kolvce) before I take any action...

Posted!

Iirc your navy has an aircraft carrier in the area, right?

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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:21 am

I would imagine there would be potential controversy around whether Posteastan would become a vassal state under Great Nortend or possibly Lux Pulchrae should the monarchy be restored. After all, if the claimant and his heirs are all subjects of His Erbonian Majesty...
News from Great Nortend : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417866
Diplomacy, Consulates &c. : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417865

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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:42 am

You’re not supposed to say that out loud!
>internal strife between GN and LP

On a side note, you guys know the Spanish Civil War? Yeah this whole situation is kinda like that and I wouldn’t mind being the Franco in this situation.

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Great Nortend
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Postby Great Nortend » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:47 am

What if one of the 'almoners' (secretly army officers) is actually an heir to the Posteastan throne? Hmm... a rumour perhaps then.
News from Great Nortend : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417866
Diplomacy, Consulates &c. : https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=417865

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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:00 am

The Spanish Civil War was essentially, from my understanding, utter chaos on the beginning. The republic fell(kinda like Post) everyone took a side and many different factions were(kinda like Post). You had anarchists, Republicans, communists on one side(crazy right?) and on another you had nationalists, monarchists, fascists on another(hmmm). These two sides were at first loosely connected, then it practically became left vs right. Franco joins all the right forces under him, wins, and rules Spain for almost forty years. As a monarchist he wanted a king back on the throne. He basically was a king but I guess calling himself one would anger many in his party. He assured restoration of the monarchy once he thought the heir apparent was ready.

He named Juan Carlos his successor and soon in. 1975 Franco dies, Juan Carlos is Juan Carlos I and he completely screws it over and undoes the Franco regime, the one that gave him power in the first place. Ironically, the reason he was chosen is because Franco thought his father, Juan, was too liberal, so Franco skips Juan and named Juan Carlos the future heir(BIG WINK WINK NUDGE AND THINKING EMOJI).
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Danlina
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Postby Danlina » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:48 am

I have a question that I feel is important: how wide is the river? I want to know exactly how wide the ships that I intend on passing through the river can be.
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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:18 am

Allaneans appear to have the lingual grace and tact of Xbox players.

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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 am

Lux Pulchrae wrote:Allaneans appear to have the lingual grace and tact of Xbox players.


Ah, cultural differences. Allanians use swear words to convey integrity, strongly held beliefs, honesty and so on.

Current Caracasusian advice to diplomats consists largely of a 12 hour Tarantino marathon to acclimatize visitors.
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Danlina
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Postby Danlina » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:04 am

Caracasus wrote:
Lux Pulchrae wrote:Allaneans appear to have the lingual grace and tact of Xbox players.


Ah, cultural differences. Allanians use swear words to convey integrity, strongly held beliefs, honesty and so on.

Current Caracasusian advice to diplomats consists largely of a 12 hour Tarantino marathon to acclimatize visitors.

In Danlinian culture, a 12 hour Tarantino marathon is considered a coming-of-age ceremony.
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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:47 pm

[quote="Eternal Lotharia";p="35473056"]I'll be supporting the Royalists to establish an Executive Constitutional Monarchy similar to Lotharia's, with strong elements of Democracy involved.

Ultimately however, Lotharia is practical in this situation and will do what will profit it most and secure human rights and civil liberties.[/quote]

Hey you’re gonna have to settle that with the other parties involved with the royalists.

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Danlina
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Postby Danlina » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:14 pm

Psst Allanea...
Don’t leave the Wrights hanging like this, reply to their email
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Lux Pulchrae
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Hey you’re gonna have to settle that with the other parties involved with the royalists.

Ah my friend. :hug:

The goal is to establish a greater base of support for the Royalists.

Let's coordinate together.[/quote]

First we'd have to come to compromise. A lot of what you just said might interfere with Lux Pulchraean goals for the monarchy. It aint too big on 'democracy'.

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The World Capitalist Confederation
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:38 pm

Posteastan, who was that Tavitan guy? I want to contact him, which side is he on?
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