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by Greater Westralia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:33 pm
by Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:34 pm
Greater Westralia wrote:If we censor Nazis and fascists, we ought to censor Stalinists, Maoists and other dictatorship-apologists.
Their rhetoric is a few steps down from Nazism but supports and enables violence nevertheless.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:34 pm
Byzconia wrote:Proctopeo wrote:That's why I mentioned it fam. Your past mistakes shall ever haunt you.
Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.
Given that plenty of Western democracies have implemented hate speech laws and have yet to descend into Stalinist repression, this borders on a slippery slope fallacy.
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:35 pm
Greater Westralia wrote:If we censor Nazis and fascists, we ought to censor Stalinists, Maoists and other dictatorship-apologists.
Their rhetoric is a few steps down from Nazism but supports and enables violence nevertheless.
by Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:36 pm
Censorship in general tends to be a hard sell, especially in places that like not being censored, like America. Besides that, censorship is a dangerous road to go down, and not worth the risk. Especially not for any type of "libertarian" where a nebulous entity having the ability to silence others is generally frowned upon.
I'm pretty certain that censoring Nazism is a thing most leftists can comfortably agree on.
Byzconia wrote:Given that plenty of Western democracies have implemented hate speech laws and have yet to descend into Stalinist repression, this borders on a slippery slope fallacy.
Byzconia wrote:"Everyone who disagrees with me just refuses to see the obvious objective reality!"
But I'll bite, what's the "evident difference."
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Byzconia wrote:Given that plenty of Western democracies have implemented hate speech laws and have yet to descend into Stalinist repression, this borders on a slippery slope fallacy.
It doesn't have to so down to Stalinist levels of oppression to be problematic. Under the UK's hate speech laws, YouTuber Count Dankula got arrested over a stupid joke.
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:37 pm
Greater Westralia wrote:If we censor Nazis and fascists, we ought to censor Stalinists, Maoists and other dictatorship-apologists.
Their rhetoric is a few steps down from Nazism but supports and enables violence nevertheless.
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:38 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
I'm pretty certain that censoring Nazism is a thing most leftists can comfortably agree on.
Left-"libertarians" and literal Stalinists make weird bedfellows when it comes to suppressing an ideology.
You'll be happy to hear I don't advocate for the suppression of any leftist ideology, just the development of a stigma against the extreme ones
by Greater Westralia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:38 pm
Torrocca wrote:Supporting violence itself isn't and most definitely shouldn't be censored. Not all violence is created equally, and not all violence is done to further the goals of an authoritarian or a genocidal regime.
I'm not against censoring authoritarianism, though; the paradox of intolerance is a real thing, and I'm okay with it if it ultimately means preserving actual liberty.
by Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm
Torrocca wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Left-"libertarians" and literal Stalinists make weird bedfellows when it comes to suppressing an ideology.
You'll be happy to hear I don't advocate for the suppression of any leftist ideology, just the development of a stigma against the extreme ones
It's the paradox of intolerance, famalam. There's no problem with suppressing authoritarianism to preserve liberty.
by Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm
Torrocca wrote:It's the paradox of intolerance, famalam. There's no problem with suppressing authoritarianism (including Stalinists, of course, since you have an odd fascination with trying to lump us in with them) to preserve liberty.
by Lamoni » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:40 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Saiwania wrote:
Yes! Brexit and the right winning in the Netherlands is only the beginning. The dawn of a right wing sweep and new order across Europe and the wider western world is coming and soon!
So what you're saying is we have to shoot a bunch of Nazis all over again?
What the hell, I'm game.
Licana on the M-21A2 MBT: "Well, it is one of the most badass tanks on NS."
Vortiaganica: Lamoni I understand fully, of course. The two (Lamoni & Lyras) are more inseparable than the Clinton family and politics.
Triplebaconation: Lamoni commands a quiet respect that carries its own authority. He is the Mandela of NS.
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:41 pm
Greater Westralia wrote:Torrocca wrote:Supporting violence itself isn't and most definitely shouldn't be censored. Not all violence is created equally, and not all violence is done to further the goals of an authoritarian or a genocidal regime.
I'm not against censoring authoritarianism, though; the paradox of intolerance is a real thing, and I'm okay with it if it ultimately means preserving actual liberty.
See, I'm disappointed. I thought you libertarian socialists could be relied to rail against the excesses of revolutionary Marxist-Leninist state, but when the chips fall down all you care about is killing the bourgeoisie.
by Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:41 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:41 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:42 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It's the paradox of intolerance, famalam. There's no problem with suppressing authoritarianism to preserve liberty.
I mean, sure, but if I went with that line of thinking I'd have to suppress you too.
As much fun as that might be you're more useful alive and free than alive and in a political prison.
by Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:42 pm
by Greater Westralia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:44 pm
Torrocca wrote:Literally what lmao
TIL'd not tolerating intolerance = "LET'S SHOOT SOME BOURGIES WOO I LOVE YOU STALIN"
by Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm
by Torrocca » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm
by Crysuko » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm
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