Libertarian Discussion Thread II - Don't Thread on Me

[Northern Davincia]

In a (probably futile) attempt to get back on track and away from the Ministry of Silly Posts, who do people think will be the Libertarian nominee for president in 2020?

I would hope for Larry Sharpe, but he seems so far to be resistant to going beyond New York State.

Larry Sharpe is a brilliant man and deserving of absolute respect.

[Greater Westralia]

I think I'm more on the libertarian side of the agrarian spectrum, supporting less government subsidies and more private research. Australia is better in that regard, compared to America's obscene agricultural subsidies. That's not to say the government shouldn't help out at all, especially in encouraging agricultural education.

[Proctopeo]

In a (probably futile) attempt to get back on track and away from the Ministry of Silly Posts, who do people think will be the Libertarian nominee for president in 2020?

I would hope for Larry Sharpe, but he seems so far to be resistant to going beyond New York State.

Hard to say. Johnson or Sharpe, probably, but there's a small chance of McAfee.

[Aclion]

I think I'm more on the libertarian side of the agrarian spectrum, supporting less government subsidies and more private research. Australia is better in that regard, compared to America's obscene agricultural subsidies. That's not to say the government shouldn't help out at all, especially in encouraging agricultural education.

I wish the libertarian party would stop shooting for the presidency. Give the nomination to the most libertarian Republican/Democrat and concentrate on making headway at the local and state level, and do what the justice democrats did and start primarying authoritarian candidates in solid districts.

[Elwher]

I think I'm more on the libertarian side of the agrarian spectrum, supporting less government subsidies and more private research. Australia is better in that regard, compared to America's obscene agricultural subsidies. That's not to say the government shouldn't help out at all, especially in encouraging agricultural education.

I wish the libertarian party would stop shooting for the presidency. Give the nomination to the most libertarian Republican/Democrat and concentrate on making headway at the local and state level, and do what the justice democrats did and start primarying authoritarian candidates in solid districts.

I partially agree. I think having our own presidential candidate gives us national press coverage; but I think that the most efforts should be on the state and local levels. The primary purpose of the presidential race should be to expose people to Libertarian philosophy, not to actually expect to win in the near future.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'd personally rather vote for Leyonhjelm.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Fake news, you salacious NATO spy! I know my intelligence agencies better than you think!


You dare to call Stalin a revisionist?!

STFU you trot. It turns out the GRU is the current one, but I haven’t been to Russia for decades. Stalin is not a revisionist filth, you are. I will icepick your posts the fuck out if you keep on insulting Comrade Stalin.

[Free Arabian Nation]

There is no such thing as the correct form of Socialism and Libertarianism, they're all wrong and made by fools/believed by fools who's only experience with human interaction is anime dating sims.


btw, this is a meme. I'm just mocking everyone by being a edgy centrist.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

There is no such thing as the correct form of Socialism and Libertarianism, they're all wrong and made by fools/believed by fools who's only experience with human interaction is anime dating sims.

EPIC ANARCHIST DESTRUCTION

[Psukhe]

There is no such thing as the correct form of Socialism and Libertarianism, they're all wrong and made by fools/believed by fools who's only experience with human interaction is anime dating sims.

Sounds like a poor attempt at axiomatizing your own political opinions.

[Valrifell]

The Libertarian Presidential candidate is literally less important than Donald Trump’s Breakfast.

If our electoral system was reformed to allow third party access, then he or she wouldn't be.

No electoral reform will make the Libertarians or Greens relevant. Search inside yourself, in your heart you know it to be true.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Sounds like a poor attempt at axiomatizing your own political opinions.

More like ATOMIZING anarchists.

[The Liberated Territories]

If our electoral system was reformed to allow third party access, then he or she wouldn't be.

No electoral reform will make the Libertarians or Greens relevant. Search inside yourself, in your heart you know it to be true.

Considering they are the largest parties after the Republicans and Democrats, they stand to benefit the most from easier ballot access. Given a couple hours, I could probably find hundreds of ways these laws are abused to the benefit of the top two parties. One good example of how the top two parties benefit from ballot access laws is that the Republicans and Democrats appear on the ballot automatically every election automatically in certain states (c.f. Georgia), while third parties and independents must accrue a certain amount of signatures and pay a certain amount of fees, which are always placed above the capacity of these third parties to achieve. The laws for these rarely change, for the people who write these laws generally come from the top two parties.

Edit: another example. Arkansas raises the threshold to 3% after the Libertarian got 2.9%

[Victoriala II]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

No tho.

[Victoriala II]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

No tho.

100% confirmed, you have the ginormous wack

[Elwher]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

If your system can only be implemented by an armed revolt of a minority of the citizens of a country, do you have the right to force the majority to your beliefs? I, for one, think not.

[Aclion]

I wish the libertarian party would stop shooting for the presidency. Give the nomination to the most libertarian Republican/Democrat and concentrate on making headway at the local and state level, and do what the justice democrats did and start primarying authoritarian candidates in solid districts.

I partially agree. I think having our own presidential candidate gives us national press coverage; but I think that the most efforts should be on the state and local levels. The primary purpose of the presidential race should be to expose people to Libertarian philosophy, not to actually expect to win in the near future.

Funny that's exactly why I want to concentrate on local and state. Gwtting people into office can get a much bigger platform then running in a presidential election that we won't even be allowed to debate in.

[Crysuko]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

If your system can only be implemented by an armed revolt of a minority of the citizens of a country, do you have the right to force the majority to your beliefs? I, for one, think not.

argumentum ad populum

[Proctopeo]

If your system can only be implemented by an armed revolt of a minority of the citizens of a country, do you have the right to force the majority to your beliefs? I, for one, think not.

argumentum ad populum

popular will usually generates better circumstances

not always, see: Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Weimar Germany
but usually

it tends to be radicals, who would stage an armed rebellion if they lost the fair election, who fuck up democracy tbqh

[Elwher]

If your system can only be implemented by an armed revolt of a minority of the citizens of a country, do you have the right to force the majority to your beliefs? I, for one, think not.

argumentum ad populum

If you wish to call it that, so be it. As a Libertarian, I believe that using force to prove you are right often proves you are wrong, just strong. Changing a system by changing the minds of the people is superior to changing a system by violence, and if you cannot change the minds of the people you should consider that you may be wrong.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

No tho.

100% confirmed, you have the ginormous wack

The what?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

The what?

Idk

[The Liberated Territories]

No tho.

100% confirmed, you have the ginormous wack

That's what she said.

[Darussalam]

wack: continuing to participate in electoral politics
jacked: active resistance to state power and self organizing as form of prefiguration

packed: techno-fascist corporate subversion