Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Khasinkonia]

Is it just me who hears career-narcissist binary-presenting celebrities declaring themselves to be genderqueer or non-binary and then goes "sure you are" while giving a long sarcastic "get a load of this" look to the sides?

I don’t like to question other people’s identities, but I do agree. It seems to me like “nonbinary” is becoming a little “I’m different look at me!” tag instead of something legitimate. Like, for Miley Cyrus, I feel like “woman” would suffice to describe her, quite frankly.

[Tarsonis]

Is it just me who hears career-narcissist binary-presenting celebrities declaring themselves to be genderqueer or non-binary and then goes "sure you are" while giving a long sarcastic "get a load of this" look to the sides?

I don’t like to question other people’s identities, but I do agree. It seems to me like “nonbinary” is becoming a little “I’m different look at me!” tag instead of something legitimate. Like, for Miley Cyrus, I feel like “woman” would suffice to describe her, quite frankly.

Transtrenders are a thing, and I think more common than the group would like to believe.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

Transtrenders are a thing, and I think more common than the group would like to believe.

No, but gatekeeping is a thing, various cultures have/had NB cultures all on their own.

[Khasinkonia]

I don’t like to question other people’s identities, but I do agree. It seems to me like “nonbinary” is becoming a little “I’m different look at me!” tag instead of something legitimate. Like, for Miley Cyrus, I feel like “woman” would suffice to describe her, quite frankly.

Transtrenders are a thing, and I think more common than the group would like to believe.

As much as I hate to say it, I think there may well be transtrenders out there, particularly in the public eye. I reckon there’s disproportionate celebrity representation of an otherwise negligible demographic because publicity and what have you.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

Classical Judaism has six genders and you think celebrities can’t be NB. Rather it is binarism that is trending.

[Tarsonis]

Transtrenders are a thing, and I think more common than the group would like to believe.

No, but gatekeeping is a thing, various cultures have/had NB cultures all on their own.

It’s not gatekeeping. There are people out there who only identify as Trans because they think it’s trendy or because it endears them to people or they get attention they want. I’m not making this up wholesale, I personally know people like this. I’m not saying it’s all, or most or even a sizable portion of the community, but they do exist.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I don’t like to question other people’s identities, but I do agree. It seems to me like “nonbinary” is becoming a little “I’m different look at me!” tag instead of something legitimate. Like, for Miley Cyrus, I feel like “woman” would suffice to describe her, quite frankly.

Transtrenders are a thing, and I think more common than the group would like to believe.

Rings true to my experience - my uni had five or six "out" trans people when I was there (50/50 on binary/non-binary), then within the next year several entirely heteronormatively presenting "non-binary" people appeared, made lots of noise, then immediately removed any reference to it from their profiles once they left uni and never mentioned it again.

It was quite obviously a form of "play" for them to associate themselves with an edgy and visible minority - they weren't bad people per se but vaguely patronising and insulting like naive self-centred tourists demanding to take part in local ceremonies of which they know nothing.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

It’s not gatekeeping. There are people out there who only identify as Trans because they think it’s trendy or because it endears them to people or they get attention they want. I’m not making this up wholesale, I personally know people like this. I’m not saying it’s all, or most or even a sizable portion of the community, but they do exist.

Then they’re gender non conforming, which is also a thing.

[Wahabi Hejaz]

In our nation there are no rights given to LGBT people. They are treated as criminals.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

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Rings true to my experience - my uni had five or six "out" trans people when I was there (50/50 on binary/non-binary), then within the next year several entirely heteronormatively presenting "non-binary" people appeared, made lots of noise, then immediately removed any reference to it from their profiles once they left uni and never mentioned it again.

There’s also plenty of gay/bisexual people in the closet, university is a more open environment.

[Tarsonis]

It’s not gatekeeping. There are people out there who only identify as Trans because they think it’s trendy or because it endears them to people or they get attention they want. I’m not making this up wholesale, I personally know people like this. I’m not saying it’s all, or most or even a sizable portion of the community, but they do exist.

Then they’re gender non conforming, which is also a thing.

No, they're cisgender, but they act trans for attention.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

In our nation. There are no rights for LGBT people.

Id tell him to go to the RP section but may be true IRL.

[The New California Republic]

In our nation. There are no rights for LGBT people.

NSGeneral is all OOC, we don't pretend to be our nations here.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

No, they're cisgender, but they act trans for attention.

If you’re gender nonconforming for attention you’re still gender nonconforming.

[Vassenor]

In our nation there are no rights given to LGBT people. They are treated as criminals.

#owtheedge

[Dumb Ideologies]

The term transtrender is devalued, time to move to tryonsgender

[Tarsonis]

No, they're cisgender, but they act trans for attention.

If you’re gender nonconforming for attention you’re still gender nonconforming.

Obstinance for obstinance sake is unconvincing. They're not gender non-conforming, they don't even have gender-dysphoria. They adopt the trans-persona, for social gain. Refusing to acknowledge their existence just because you see it as a threat to your ideological agenda, does not negate their existence.

[Twilight Imperium]

No, they're cisgender, but they act trans for attention.

If you’re gender nonconforming for attention you’re still gender nonconforming.

A difference that makes no difference is no difference.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

If you’re gender nonconforming for attention you’re still gender nonconforming.

Obstinance for obstinance sake is unconvincing. They're not gender non-conforming, they don't even have gender-dysphoria. They adopt the trans-persona, for social gain. Refusing to acknowledge their existence just because you see it as a threat to your ideological agenda, does not negate their existence.

Or gender nonconforming is the historical norm.

[Tarsonis]

Obstinance for obstinance sake is unconvincing. They're not gender non-conforming, they don't even have gender-dysphoria. They adopt the trans-persona, for social gain. Refusing to acknowledge their existence just because you see it as a threat to your ideological agenda, does not negate their existence.

Or gender nonconforming is the historical norm.

It's not.

[Twilight Imperium]

Or gender nonconforming is the historical norm.

Look, I get you, I do - gatekeeping is bad and people who want to earnestly participate should be welcomed. But is this reeeeaaaallly the tack you want to take here?

[Soviet Technocracy4]

It's not.

Your partriacrhal societies didn’t have it as much, but a number of Native American cultutes did.

[Tarsonis]

It's not.

Your partriacrhal societies didn’t have it as much, but a number of Native American cultutes did.

I'm not saying that gender non-coforming people don't exist. They do, I'm saying transtrenders are not gender non-conforming, they're transtrenders.

[Soviet Technocracy4]

Look, I get you, I do - gatekeeping is bad and people who want to earnestly participate should be welcomed. But is this reeeeaaaallly the tack you want to take here?

People are welcome to not conform for attention. If gender is no longer a big deal it won’t be a thing. Let them mess with the culture.

[Twilight Imperium]

Look, I get you, I do - gatekeeping is bad and people who want to earnestly participate should be welcomed. But is this reeeeaaaallly the tack you want to take here?

People are welcome to not conform for attention. If gender is no longer a big deal it won’t be a thing. Let them mess with the culture.

There are those who would say that treating it like a toy undermines the efforts of people who are trying to gain serious acceptance for such things.