I am saying that I have no issues with liking attributes, even if they are exclusive to one race or specific sub-race.
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by Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:32 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:36 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Ifreann wrote:"Person of colour" is a better way to refer to all the people who aren't white than "non-white", as that implies that white is the "normal" state of being and any other person is a deviation from that.
If one insists of understanding in terms of analogy, white isn't a colour on its own. There is no frequency of light that corresponds to "white".
Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".
Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.
New haven america wrote:Ifreann wrote:"Person of colour" is a better way to refer to all the people who aren't white than "non-white", as that implies that white is the "normal" state of being and any other person is a deviation from that.
If one insists of understanding in terms of analogy, white isn't a colour on its own. There is no frequency of light that corresponds to "white".
I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.
Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:37 pm
Novus America wrote:Ifreann wrote:Sexism is based more on gender than sex, because sex is not actually something we ever actually know about each other. Of all the people in your life who are women, how many have you performed genetic testing on to confirm the presence of XX chromosomes? I'm guessing zero. So really, you don't think of those people as women because of their sex, but because of their gender, or more accurately their gender presentation.
Without sex we would not have gender.
But again this is not the topic. Suffice to say race and gender are different.
by Novus America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:40 pm
Ifreann wrote:Novus America wrote:
Without sex we would not have gender.
But again this is not the topic. Suffice to say race and gender are different.
If you think we can do away with sexism without doing away with sex(a term I will use for your benefit), then why can racism not be done away with without doing away with race?
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:50 pm
Ifreann wrote:Nantoraka wrote:Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".
Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.
Entirely the opposite.New haven america wrote:I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.
If you come up with a better term then let us know.Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?
It's an analogy.
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:54 pm
Nantoraka wrote:Ifreann wrote:Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.
Entirely the opposite.
If you come up with a better term then let us know.
It's an analogy.
You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.
by Novus America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:58 pm
Ifreann wrote:Novus America wrote:
I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.
How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?Nantoraka wrote:You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.
I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.
by US-SSR » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Borovan entered the region as he wrote:US-SSR wrote:If you're not interacting with / meeting / getting to know / asking out people because of their background or appearance, then probably yeah.
If you're repulsed by people because of their background or appearance, ergo not dating them, then probably definitely yeah.
If you don't think a certain person's background or appearance would appeal to you but..., what can ya say, try it, you might just like it.
If you're positively attracted to certain backgrounds or appearances, hey, go for it, everybody's gotta get their freak on, here's mine:(Image)(Image)
Interacting is different from asking out. I wouldn't mind talking to someone who isn't my preference but I'm not going out to ask someone who doesn't clicks with me.
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:59 pm
Ifreann wrote:Nantoraka wrote:Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".
Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.
Entirely the opposite.New haven america wrote:I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.
If you come up with a better term then let us know.Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?
It's an analogy.
by Nantoraka » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:06 pm
Ifreann wrote:Novus America wrote:
I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.
How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?Nantoraka wrote:You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.
I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.
by The Guardians of the Rhine » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:09 pm
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:11 pm
Novus America wrote:Ifreann wrote:How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?
I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.
Religion is also different than race. Also religion serves a valid purpose.
I do not see what valid purpose race serves.
But sure, as long as different views of religion exist so will sectarianism.
You cannot get rid of something without getting rid of the cause of it.
by American Pere Housh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:13 pm
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:15 pm
Ifreann wrote:Novus America wrote:
Religion is also different than race. Also religion serves a valid purpose.
I do not see what valid purpose race serves.
But sure, as long as different views of religion exist so will sectarianism.
You cannot get rid of something without getting rid of the cause of it.
Is racism really the only kind of bigotry that you want to get rid of?New haven america wrote:How about "Human"?
Are whites not human?
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:16 pm
The Guardians of the Rhine wrote:No, next question please.
If I don't want to date another race, I don't want to date a person of another race. If I want to date only white, or Asian, or black, or Indian, or Native American people, I want to date that type of person, most likely because I am that race (at least in my case; I can't speak for anyone else).
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:21 pm
by The Guardians of the Rhine » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:21 pm
New haven america wrote:The Guardians of the Rhine wrote:No, next question please.
If I don't want to date another race, I don't want to date a person of another race. If I want to date only white, or Asian, or black, or Indian, or Native American people, I want to date that type of person, most likely because I am that race (at least in my case; I can't speak for anyone else).
That's racist and here's why: You're using their race as the deciding factor of why you would/wouldn't date someone.
Come on, we figured this out 20 pages ago, keep up.
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:25 pm
The Guardians of the Rhine wrote:New haven america wrote:That's racist and here's why: You're using their race as the deciding factor of why you would/wouldn't date someone.
Come on, we figured this out 20 pages ago, keep up.
1. If that's racist, then is it sexist to not want to date woman as a man?
2. I would like to date a white person more than a person of another race because I am a person of said race. I'm not a racist because I prefer dating the race that I am; 3. if a black person only wanted to date black people, is that racist? What about an Asian only wanting to date Asians? 4.If that's racist, then oh no, a good like 75% of the population of Earth is racist, yikes!
by The Guardians of the Rhine » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:30 pm
New haven america wrote:The Guardians of the Rhine wrote:1. If that's racist, then is it sexist to not want to date woman as a man?
2. I would like to date a white person more than a person of another race because I am a person of said race. I'm not a racist because I prefer dating the race that I am; 3. if a black person only wanted to date black people, is that racist? What about an Asian only wanting to date Asians? 4.If that's racist, then oh no, a good like 75% of the population of Earth is racist, yikes!
1. We've bee over this 20 pages ago: No, it's not.
2. That's not the example you used in your original post.
3. If they only wanted to date other black people and not date others based solely/mostly on race: Yes.
4. You're not too far off the mark, actually. Some places/cultures are just better at hiding it than others. (East Asia for example is incredibly racist)
by New haven america » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:34 pm
The Guardians of the Rhine wrote:New haven america wrote:1. We've bee over this 20 pages ago: No, it's not.
2. That's not the example you used in your original post.
3. If they only wanted to date other black people and not date others based solely/mostly on race: Yes.
4. You're not too far off the mark, actually. Some places/cultures are just better at hiding it than others. (East Asia for example is incredibly racist)
1. I'm white, and while I prefer dating white people, I have been in a relationship with an Asian and an African-American. But I prefer white people; does that make me a racist for preferring to date people that are also white?
2. Racism is saying, for example, "I'm Indian, and I will only date Indian people, even if I'm attracted to a white, asian, native american, or black person." That's a huge difference.
by San Lumen » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:05 pm
Saiwania wrote:New haven america wrote:Wait until Sai learns that every member of Hitler's Aryan experiment (Blonde hair/Blue eyed women pair with Blond haired/Blue eyed men) produced only brunettes with brown eyes.
I'd call into question the accuracy of that. Obviously a Blonde couple will produce a Blonde child, unless their genetics weren't pure from the beginning and one or both lines had an ancestor who's not Blonde.
Genetic engineering would arguably be superior to natural means of determining attributes because the "way a person appears" can be micromanaged in a lab before birth while conversely, with most reproduction there is too much random chance that can happen, thus making for some very upset parents and families on occasion.
by The Federated Soviets of North America » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:43 pm
by Saiwania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:53 pm
San Lumen wrote:Plus my friend who is the police officer is also gay. Who are you to tell someone who they should pair with?
I wonder if you think he as mixed race person he should even be on the force.
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