I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.
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by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:25 pm
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:26 pm
Farburg wrote:You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.
We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:26 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
You’d only be strengthening their often recurring points about how they are being silenced, then.
That argument is bunk.
Reactionaries are not pro-free speech, they are pro-forced listening. There is a difference and a lot of centrists fall for their tricks and don't realize it.
by Farburg » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:27 pm
Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:Farburg wrote:You know what, no,
Transphobia is not comparable to racism.
We need more rhetoric criticizing all this snowflakery.
I don't know what "snowflakery" is. They've done brain scans on trans people.
Not that that really matters. I don't expect people believe in transgenderism, but I do insist they be civil.
You don't get to say nigger or faggot, and if someone says don't call them a woman, you don't call them a women.
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Farburg wrote:I have my limit, I personally can take the simple mtf or ftm but anything other than that just sounds so stupid.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:28 pm
Andsed wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
You’d only be strengthening their often recurring points about how they are being silenced, then.
Yeah it is a bit of a tight walk. I mean you don't want them to spread hateful messages but you also don't want to give them ammunition about how they are being silenced.
by Farnhamia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:28 pm
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:29 pm
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:29 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:That argument is bunk.
Reactionaries are not pro-free speech, they are pro-forced listening. There is a difference and a lot of centrists fall for their tricks and don't realize it.
Again, if you are attempting to silence them, you are actually proving their point CORRECT, thus strengthening their resolve and base.
You’d literally be aiding them by silencing them, it’s secretly what they want.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:29 pm
by Andsed » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:29 pm
Farburg wrote:Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:I don't know what "snowflakery" is. They've done brain scans on trans people.
Not that that really matters. I don't expect people believe in transgenderism, but I do insist they be civil.
You don't get to say nigger or faggot, and if someone says don't call them a woman, you don't call them a women.
LANGUAGE...
Also race and sexuality are far more legitimate than “gender”
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:31 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:31 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Again, if you are attempting to silence them, you are actually proving their point CORRECT, thus strengthening their resolve and base.
You’d literally be aiding them by silencing them, it’s secretly what they want.
This also sums up my point.
There's also the "paradox of tolerance", in which ones has to not tolerate bigotry to preserve a society build on tolerance and acceptance of different folks and minorities.
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:31 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:This also sums up my point.
There's also the "paradox of tolerance", in which ones has to not tolerate bigotry to preserve a society build on tolerance and acceptance of different folks and minorities.
They can literally weaponize that same paradox so that they don’t have to accept you, it goes both ways.
They think they’re right, you think you’re right, nobody is going nowhere, simple as that.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:35 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Way to pad the echo chambers and dig the trench even wider.
Again, why should one listen to arguments that incite violence towards marginalized groups, especially if I am a member of one of those groups?
Trans people not listening to transphobia and cis ignorance is self-care, we get bombarded with that often, sometimes a person just needs a break from the hate.Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
They can literally weaponize that same paradox so that they don’t have to accept you, it goes both ways.
They think they’re right, you think you’re right, nobody is going nowhere, simple as that.
The only way reactionaries would accept me is if they give up their ideas, and once they do, I'd be willing to talk to them.
by Khasinkonia » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:45 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Auzkhia wrote:Again, why should one listen to arguments that incite violence towards marginalized groups, especially if I am a member of one of those groups?
Trans people not listening to transphobia and cis ignorance is self-care, we get bombarded with that often, sometimes a person just needs a break from the hate.
The only way reactionaries would accept me is if they give up their ideas, and once they do, I'd be willing to talk to them.
This is the thing, your side wants to deplatform them, their side wants to drive you out of any positions of influence.
It’s literally gonna be going nowhere, a game of neverending shitfuck chess where they try to outplay eachother with as many loopholes as they can scrounge up.
by Soviet Technocracy2 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:47 pm
Farburg wrote:Freedom of speech is far more important than freedom of identity
by Farburg » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:53 pm
by Farburg » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:56 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Farburg wrote:
Because we don’t pretend to believe the delusions of schizophrenic people,
So why should we entertain your delusions.
Nice ableism pal, way to include people with mental health conditions in your response!
That's a loaded question, and it goes back to points already said, either that trans debates means that I have to convince you that I exist as I say I do, or that you should follow some basic etiquette.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:57 pm
Khasinkonia wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
This is the thing, your side wants to deplatform them, their side wants to drive you out of any positions of influence.
It’s literally gonna be going nowhere, a game of neverending shitfuck chess where they try to outplay eachother with as many loopholes as they can scrounge up.
Personally, I think if anyone is winning, it’s the side of progress. Certainly, we see places where reactionary ideals hold fast, but if you look around, the world at large generally gets a little more accepting each year. For us, I feel like exposure is enough. If we keep cool heads and show the world our reason, each new generation will be more open, as I believe we can see.
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