AOC in campaign money trouble

[Ifreann]

I guess the transit system in NYC was not sufficient for her travel needs and those of her campaign.

Maybe someone should, like, push for improving it.

It's already faster, safer and cheaper than Uber, what other advantage could get her to make the switch?

Running more often? Running to more places? Running longer hours? Higher capacity? Just off the top of my head.

Meanwhile Biden and Harris are bumping into either on the train.

What?

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It's a practical reality that anyone willing to drive in new york city is crazy and mentally unfit for office.

Yes, it is annoying.

Yet it wouldn't be annoying if nobody did it. That traffic and driving in New York sucks is proof that people... drive in NYC. Frequently at that.

Nobody drives in New York, there's too much traffic.

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"I think we need better investment in public transport"
"And yet you use a car. Interesting."
"Yes, I use a car because public transport is rarely a viable alternative. That's why I want more investment in public transport."
"Look, I was just trying to smugly make you seem like a hypocrite"
"And yet you proved my point for me. Interesting."

I believe one of the sources shared here pointed out that public transportation was, at times, a viable alternative for her campaign but that it wasn't chosen as often as private transportation - something demonstrated by the financial records available. That sort of got sidestepped a little. Again, this is somewhat outside the purview of the discussion about campaign finance that has more or less concluded.

I'm not aware of there being any basis to the claims that public transport was a viable alternative other than the fact that she campaigned in New York. Financial records showing that her campaign used Uber however many times doesn't tell us whether they could have taken the bus, does it?

[West Leas Oros 2]

That's an actual response to the article that was posted. Most people have been, more or less, talking past it without addressing. I'm not familiar with her district or the availability of transportation there. I do know that there are American cities that I can get around in with relative ease using public transportation. But I largely agree with you. It's not possible to get an accurate assessment based on what the article gave us alone.


I'll allow the person who posted that article to have that conversation. Like I said just now, I don't think the article gives us enough information for us to figure that out at the moment. I was more concerned that the debate wasn't even happening. Talking past each other is bad.

I've read both articles and frankly they both read like pigfucker arguments. The aim of a pigfucker argument isn't to prove that the person in question is a pigfucker, it's to get them to publicly deny fucking farmyard animals.

It's all barely speculation really, coupled with the occasional 'but she drives a car!' Gotchas. It's honestly a wonder that we're on double number pages.

I am seriously tired of the “you’re a hypocrite because you use things” argument.

[Yusseria]

I've read both articles and frankly they both read like pigfucker arguments. The aim of a pigfucker argument isn't to prove that the person in question is a pigfucker, it's to get them to publicly deny fucking farmyard animals.

It's all barely speculation really, coupled with the occasional 'but she drives a car!' Gotchas. It's honestly a wonder that we're on double number pages.

I am seriously tired of the “you’re a hypocrite because you use things” argument.

It's not really about using things. It's more about expecting others to abide by your inane standards when you yourself don't.

[Aclion]

It's already faster, safer and cheaper than Uber, what other advantage could get her to make the switch?

Running more often? Running to more places? Running longer hours? Higher capacity? Just off the top of my head.

Clearly never been to New York. Public transit is available throughout the city, 24/7, and superior to trying to use the roads.

Meanwhile Biden and Harris are bumping into either on the train.

What?

Joe Biden(former Vice President) and Kamala Harris(California's senator) were in the news recently because they happened to be riding the same train into DC.

[Caracasus]

I am seriously tired of the “you’re a hypocrite because you use things” argument.

It's not really about using things. It's more about expecting others to abide by your inane standards when you yourself don't.

Nope. As you yourself admitted it seems very very unlikely that you would be able to quantify 'viable alternative.'

It's a pigfucker argument. It is a cheap gotcha with nothing to back it up.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I am seriously tired of the “you’re a hypocrite because you use things” argument.

It's not really about using things. It's more about expecting others to abide by your inane standards when you yourself don't.

I mean, if we really want to curb climate change, we should hold large companies accountable for emissions, rather than demanding people change personally.

[Andsed]

Running more often? Running to more places? Running longer hours? Higher capacity? Just off the top of my head.

Clearly never been to New York. Public transit is available throughout the city, 24/7, and superior to trying to use the roads.

Yeah but for a politician in today's political climate going on a bus can be quite risky since anyone can be there. Not to mention all of the stuff they have to bring with them.

[Yusseria]

It's not really about using things. It's more about expecting others to abide by your inane standards when you yourself don't.

Nope. As you yourself admitted it seems very very unlikely that you would be able to quantify 'viable alternative.'

It's a pigfucker argument. It is a cheap gotcha with nothing to back it up.

I did?

[Yusseria]

It's not really about using things. It's more about expecting others to abide by your inane standards when you yourself don't.

I mean, if we really want to curb climate change, we should hold large companies accountable for emissions, rather than demanding people change personally.

Then why does she?

[Caracasus]

Nope. As you yourself admitted it seems very very unlikely that you would be able to quantify 'viable alternative.'

It's a pigfucker argument. It is a cheap gotcha with nothing to back it up.

I did?

You said in response to Wallenburgs post.

That's an actual response to the article that was posted. Most people have been, more or less, talking past it without addressing. I'm not familiar with her district or the availability of transportation there. I do know that there are American cities that I can get around in with relative ease using public transportation. But I largely agree with you. It's not possible to get an accurate assessment based on what the article gave us alone.

What else could you be agreeing on?

[Fahran]

I'm not aware of there being any basis to the claims that public transport was a viable alternative other than the fact that she campaigned in New York. Financial records showing that her campaign used Uber however many times doesn't tell us whether they could have taken the bus, does it?

Like I said, I don't know her district, so I'm not really able to comment on this beyond that the argument was made and ignored.

What else could you be agreeing on?

Wrong person, anon.

[Yusseria]

I did?

You said in response to Wallenburgs post.

That's an actual response to the article that was posted. Most people have been, more or less, talking past it without addressing. I'm not familiar with her district or the availability of transportation there. I do know that there are American cities that I can get around in with relative ease using public transportation. But I largely agree with you. It's not possible to get an accurate assessment based on what the article gave us alone.

What else could you be agreeing on?

Son, I think you need to get your glasses checked.

But I'm sure it is very difficult to tell two posters apart. I mean, different flags, different sigs, different names, different posting styles...

[Thermodolia]

I guess the transit system in NYC was not sufficient for her travel needs and those of her campaign.

Maybe someone should, like, push for improving it.

It's already faster, safer and cheaper than Uber, what other advantage could get her to make the switch?

Meanwhile Biden and Harris are bumping into either on the train.

Biden loves trains though. He’d literally go out of his way to ride on em.

[Fahran]

I mean, if we really want to curb climate change, we should hold large companies accountable for emissions, rather than demanding people change personally.

Change, like charity, begins at home.

Biden loves trains though. He’d literally go out of his way to ride on em.

We don't deserve Biden.

I want someone who looks at me the way Joe Biden looks at Barack Obama.

[Caracasus]

You said in response to Wallenburgs post.



What else could you be agreeing on?

Son, I think you need to get your glasses checked.

But I'm sure it is very difficult to tell two posters apart. I mean, different flags, different sigs, different names, different posting styles...

Huh. Fair enough, my bad. Comes of using a mobile I guess. Still, Wallenburgs point stands. How the hell are we qualifying viable here? It's simply not possible.

[Ifreann]

Running more often? Running to more places? Running longer hours? Higher capacity? Just off the top of my head.

Clearly never been to New York. Public transit is available throughout the city, 24/7, and superior to trying to use the roads.

You're right, I never have been to New York.

Ocasio-Cortez grew up there, though. Lived there her whole life, I think. So if she's deciding to get a taxi, maybe it's because she knows, based on her life experience, that a taxi is the best choice in that situation.

But maybe you're right and it's not physically possible for public transport to ever be better than it is in New York, so AOC getting a taxi ever proves that public transport will never work.

[Neutraligon]

Gently tries to nudge the metro train back on topic. If you want to talk about AOCs policies maybe make another thread about it.

[Thermodolia]

Clearly never been to New York. Public transit is available throughout the city, 24/7, and superior to trying to use the roads.

You're right, I never have been to New York.

Ocasio-Cortez grew up there, though. Lived there her whole life, I think. So if she's deciding to get a taxi, maybe it's because she knows, based on her life experience, that a taxi is the best choice in that situation.

But maybe you're right and it's not physically possible for public transport to ever be better than it is in New York, so AOC getting a taxi ever proves that public transport will never work.

Depending on what you want to do in NYC a taxi is the better option. If you have a bunch of shit you don’t want to be stolen get a taxi

[West Leas Oros 2]

I mean, if we really want to curb climate change, we should hold large companies accountable for emissions, rather than demanding people change personally.

Then why does she?

Because she’s a damned liberal. Liberals have to suck up to corporate interests, and also chastise people for not going along with their morality policing.

[Chernoslavia]

Except it would in the long run, after the less than one percent run out of money or not be anywhere near the 1 percent anymore, who do you think they will go after next? Exactly.

'Run out of money'
That's not how any of this works.

who do you think they will go after next? Exactly

Pfft, what?
Leaving aside the fear-mongering 'the less than one percent' in this case will not 'run out of money' but more likely will simply drop a bracket into 'the one percent' and are suddenly no longer paying a %70 tax.
And I'm not shedding a tear for people who are hoarding such an absurd amount of wealth, this might be shocking to hear but there's only so much wealth to go around and the more that's concentrated in the hands of a few is all the more that ISN'T circulating in the economy.

That is exactly how this works, money doesn't grow on trees. And yeah of course they would try to avoid tax responsibilities BECAUSE YOUR TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THEM! And then where's the fucking motivation to become the next Bezos or Gates if I'm gonna have to give out the majority of my earnings to the government? Earning that I could use not just on myself to be happy but also to give back to the economy by investing in new ideas and products.

Yeah of course you fucking don't, it isn't your money being heavily taxed, and of course you also don't see the negative impact this would have on the economy. And these ''evul greedy bourgeoisie!'' you hate are why you have a smartphone, a personal computer, Amazon, etc. and pretty much why we have had so much technological progress. Just let them keep most of their earnings, they know what to do with it a whole lot more than you or the government. There's a reason why we stopped taxing businesses so much a hundred years back.

[Chernoslavia]

Gently tries to nudge the metro train back on topic. If you want to talk about AOCs policies maybe make another thread about it.

Ugh well dammit....

[Bear Stearns]

Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.

Sanders is a bigger threat than she is.

[Yusseria]

Tbh, Ocasio-Cortez would be mostly unimportant except that Republicans insist on giving her free publicity. I find myself largely indifferent to her shenanigans.

Sanders is a bigger threat than she is.

Sanders is a meme and will never be president.

AOC keeps getting publicity because she somehow just can't stop herself from saying stupid things. But that does probably tend to happen when one is just naturally stupid.

[Bombadil]

And then where's the fucking motivation to become the next Bezos or Gates if I'm gonna have to give out the majority of my earnings to the government?

The idea that Gates or Bezos would have sat around on their asses given different tax is dumb, most people who start a business do it because they really like what they're starting, not necessarily to be a millionaire.

Both were somewhat in the right time at the right place to start something successful.

AOC keeps getting publicity because she somehow just can't stop herself from saying stupid things. But that does probably tend to happen when one is just naturally stupid.

She came second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.

I'd wager she's far more intelligent than you.

[Proctopeo]

AOC keeps getting publicity because she somehow just can't stop herself from saying stupid things. But that does probably tend to happen when one is just naturally stupid.

She came second in the Microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.

I'd wager she's far more intelligent than you.

Ben Carson has an MD and was apparently a really good neurosurgeon. And yet, he's also quite an idiot when it comes to anything that isn't neurosurgery.