Hence the / qualifier. I think these days putting "air conditioning" in a listing means climate control and not just an AC button on the dashboard.
EDIT: Flicking through the brochures the option is indeed climate control and not just AC.
But yeah.
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by Vassenor » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:06 pm
by NeoOasis » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:25 pm
by Auzkhia » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:28 pm
by NeoOasis » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:34 pm
Auzkhia wrote:NeoOasis wrote:
If GM is allowed to sell the current Camaro and upcoming trucks... I think anyone should be allowed to sell on style. Peugeot at least looks interesting.
GM, especially in the Chevrolet brand, has some really ugmos in it. I don't really like their design language. My gripe with some designs now is that some cars have way too big grilles and they're partly fake, it's for looks, which don't even look good, it's a double fail.
by Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:57 am
NeoOasis wrote:Mini and Tesla are doing fine despite fewer if any dealers in some states.
by Vassenor » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:59 am
by Auzkhia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:11 am
NeoOasis wrote:Auzkhia wrote:GM, especially in the Chevrolet brand, has some really ugmos in it. I don't really like their design language. My gripe with some designs now is that some cars have way too big grilles and they're partly fake, it's for looks, which don't even look good, it's a double fail.
I really shouldn't go after GM alone here. Honda is just as bad for bad styling as MG. It's not so much the oversized grills that annoy me. Even if the obvious fake bits are quite annoying. Nah, for me it's the fact both the Camaro and the Accord look like the designers clocked out early, and never finished the front ends of the cars. The new Silverado is just as bad to me.
I can't even say tacked on or tacky... just absent.
by Petrolheadia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:19 pm
by NeoOasis » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:10 pm
Auzkhia wrote:NeoOasis wrote:
I really shouldn't go after GM alone here. Honda is just as bad for bad styling as MG. It's not so much the oversized grills that annoy me. Even if the obvious fake bits are quite annoying. Nah, for me it's the fact both the Camaro and the Accord look like the designers clocked out early, and never finished the front ends of the cars. The new Silverado is just as bad to me.
I can't even say tacked on or tacky... just absent.
I also thought of Toyota, some of their vehicles have really bad big grilles.
by Auzkhia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:05 pm
NeoOasis wrote:Auzkhia wrote:I also thought of Toyota, some of their vehicles have really bad big grilles.
True, and in the case of Avalon, quite obviously fake. Despite all that, I feel Toyota's styling is far more cohesive than GM's or Honda's. I'd say Toyota is on par with modern Hyundai's with a massive, but at least thought through grill.
And yet, I'd rather have a new VW or Subaru based on styling alone. I'm a sucker for classic designs.
by The Two Jerseys » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:25 pm
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by Elwher » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:31 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:I honestly don't know why the mini pickup went away.
It baffles me as well.
In the US it's probably culture wars and tariffs, a lot of truck people want bigger trucks, and people who want a pickup but hate pickup bro culture buy a Ranger or S10 or Nissan Hardbody, small trucks that technology can never make obsolete. The new Ranger is bigger, but still smaller than F150, which has gotten bigger, and so has the superduty, Chevy, GMC, and Dodge trucks have also gotten bigger too.
by Piemicsurtreadoun » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:45 pm
by Auzkhia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:55 pm
Piemicsurtreadoun wrote:I love cars but they need to stop getting more complex
by NeoOasis » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:25 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Piemicsurtreadoun wrote:I love cars but they need to stop getting more complex
I know right? Henry Ford was a witch! He made it too complicated!
This a real car
But in seriousness, all I want is a car that I can play my phone's music through either bluetooth or apple carplay, and most cars until very recently do not have that. Having a good sounding engine, smooth ride, good brakes, and comfortable leather seats are all nice. It'd be nice to not die.
by Auzkhia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:11 pm
NeoOasis wrote:Auzkhia wrote:I know right? Henry Ford was a witch! He made it too complicated!
This a real car
But in seriousness, all I want is a car that I can play my phone's music through either bluetooth or apple carplay, and most cars until very recently do not have that. Having a good sounding engine, smooth ride, good brakes, and comfortable leather seats are all nice. It'd be nice to not die.
I'll just respond to you since the original comment is now an ex-nation.
I can sort of understand were ex-nation is coming from. And I'd love to see cars lose weight through use of more exotic materials. At this point modern car design already pushes us into the realm of expensive to repair, so I don't see any real issues with using carbon fiber and what have you to reduce weight.
That being said, I'm absolutely chuffed you can buy a brand new car for 20 grand with technology and features only found in a 100k car 10 years ago. I love the fact modern cars are more powerful, more efficient, faster, and safer at prices that have remained steady or even fallen over the years.
by Petrolheadia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:51 am
Elwher wrote:Auzkhia wrote:It baffles me as well.
In the US it's probably culture wars and tariffs, a lot of truck people want bigger trucks, and people who want a pickup but hate pickup bro culture buy a Ranger or S10 or Nissan Hardbody, small trucks that technology can never make obsolete. The new Ranger is bigger, but still smaller than F150, which has gotten bigger, and so has the superduty, Chevy, GMC, and Dodge trucks have also gotten bigger too.
Culture wars, I agree. All the pickup people I know, city or country, are always on about how big theirs are (compensation, perhaps)
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