2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yes but things like rebuilding the rust belt and stopping anti vaxxers should take priority.

Trump is doing great for the Rust Belt manufacturing sector and who gives a shit about anti vaxxers lol. That's so low on the list of priorities it doesn't even hit the top 20.

Iffy and so far just for Michigan not the rest of the belt.

70 people sick and one million dollars spent on an infection of a disease we already vaccinate for.

[Ism]

Require vaccinations for infants, excepting cases of legitimate health concerns.

And if a parent denies such treatment? Then what? Confiscation of the child by the state?

If necessary to ensure the child is properly vaccinated, yes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump is doing great for the Rust Belt manufacturing sector and who gives a shit about anti vaxxers lol. That's so low on the list of priorities it doesn't even hit the top 20.

Iffy and so far just for Michigan not the rest of the belt.

70 people sick and one million dollars spent on an infection of a disease we already vaccinate for.

It's not iffy. The entire manufacturing sector has boomed under Trump.

Again, anti-vaxxers aren't even near the top of the list. Hell, they aren't even on my list lol.

[Vassenor]

Yes but things like rebuilding the rust belt and stopping anti vaxxers should take priority.

Trump is doing great for the Rust Belt manufacturing sector and who gives a shit about anti vaxxers lol. That's so low on the list of priorities it doesn't even hit the top 20.

What has he actually done for the sector and not just take credit for someone else's work for?

[Uxupox]

And if a parent denies such treatment? Then what? Confiscation of the child by the state?

If necessary to ensure the child is properly vaccinated, yes.

Then by standard international definition that would be committing genocide against a particular set of people (as fucked up as they are).

[Telconi]

Trump is doing great for the Rust Belt manufacturing sector and who gives a shit about anti vaxxers lol. That's so low on the list of priorities it doesn't even hit the top 20.

Iffy and so far just for Michigan not the rest of the belt.

70 people sick and one million dollars spent on an infection of a disease we already vaccinate for.

Which constatutes one out of every 4.65 million Americans...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump has either started or had a hand in or is actively ignoring these domestic issues.

Yes, foreign policy does mater for the US but in this election it should not be as important as domestic issues for this election.


Except for some of the issues I listed.

These are all issues we've had for years. Trump wasn't going to solve them. Obama wasn't going to solve them. And the next president is not going to solve them either.

I think you overestimate what most presidents do to begin with.

Trump has only been a rallying flag for a lot of sides, nothing more, nothing less.

Not all of them. NASA being banned from measuring carbon levels, gaging the EPA, corrupting the FCC, removing NN, building a useless wall, wasting money on so called clean coal. All issues that are entirely new thanks to Trump.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump is doing great for the Rust Belt manufacturing sector and who gives a shit about anti vaxxers lol. That's so low on the list of priorities it doesn't even hit the top 20.

What has he actually done for the sector and not just take credit for someone else's work for?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... c4dd945850

Tis my go to article for the topic, it's a few months old but it holds true.

Three things likely sparked this manufacturing jobs spike.

First, eight years of the Obama Administration’s piling on regulation upon regulation, from labor rules, to the Clean Power Plan, to the implementation of ObamaCare, placed industry into a defensive crouch. Business leaders were fearful of investing capital, not knowing how the federal rules might capriciously change, thus wiping out their expected return on investment.

That defensiveness ended in November 2016 when the expectations of additional regulatory burdens under a prospective President Clinton vanished. Not coincidentally, manufacturing employment started its sustained upswing the very month of Krugman’s tweet.

Second, the Trump Administration’s deregulatory practice exceeded expectations, with red tape being cut at a faster clip than achieved under President Ronald Reagan 36 years earlier.

Third, with the Republican Congress, President Trump delivered on a major overhaul of the tax code, including a significant cut to business taxes as well as a change to the treatment of overseas profits that incentivized the repatriation of some $300 billion in the first quarter of 2018 out of what the Federal Reserve estimates is $1 trillion in multinational profits held abroad.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

These are all issues we've had for years. Trump wasn't going to solve them. Obama wasn't going to solve them. And the next president is not going to solve them either.

I think you overestimate what most presidents do to begin with.

Trump has only been a rallying flag for a lot of sides, nothing more, nothing less.

Not all of them. NASA being banned from measuring carbon levels, gaging the EPA, corrupting the FCC, removing NN, building a useless wall, wasting money on so called clean coal. All issues that are entirely new thanks to Trump.

Republicans have been yelling about completing the Bush fence for years.
"Clean Coal" has always been a Republican talking point.
Gauging out the EPA has always been a Republican talking point.

The only two you have is the FCC and Net Neutrality. But those are not necessarily life impacting either. I mean, I haven't felt a difference in my internet service due to Net Neutrality, either on mobile or on my computers. And I have not seen a widespread adoption of harmful practices towards consumers either, so this is an "issue" that doesn't really affect anyone yet.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Iffy and so far just for Michigan not the rest of the belt.

70 people sick and one million dollars spent on an infection of a disease we already vaccinate for.

Which constatutes one out of every 4.65 million Americans...

And?

They should not be getting sick from something we have a vaccine for and that one million dollars should not have been spent on that.

Iffy and so far just for Michigan not the rest of the belt.

70 people sick and one million dollars spent on an infection of a disease we already vaccinate for.

It's not iffy. The entire manufacturing sector has boomed under Trump.

Again, anti-vaxxers aren't even near the top of the list. Hell, they aren't even on my list lol.

Outbreaks of measles should not happen.

[Ism]

If necessary to ensure the child is properly vaccinated, yes.

Then by standard international definition that would be committing genocide against a particular set of people (as fucked up as they are).

I don't believe negligent parents are a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which constatutes one out of every 4.65 million Americans...

And?

They should not be getting sick from something we have a vaccine for and that one million dollars should not have been spent on that.

It's not iffy. The entire manufacturing sector has boomed under Trump.

Again, anti-vaxxers aren't even near the top of the list. Hell, they aren't even on my list lol.

Outbreaks of measles should not happen.

They would have happened anyways.

You realize, there already exists a tiny, tiny minority of people who don't vaccinate for medical reasons and not for "anti-vaxxer" reasons, right?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not all of them. NASA being banned from measuring carbon levels, gaging the EPA, corrupting the FCC, removing NN, building a useless wall, wasting money on so called clean coal. All issues that are entirely new thanks to Trump.

Republicans have been yelling about completing the Bush fence for years.
"Clean Coal" has always been a Republican talking point.
Gauging out the EPA has always been a Republican talking point.

The only two you have is the FCC and Net Neutrality. But those are not necessarily life impacting either. I mean, I haven't felt a difference in my internet service due to Net Neutrality, either on mobile or on my computers. And I have not seen a widespread adoption of harmful practices towards consumers either, so this is an "issue" that doesn't really affect anyone yet.

The Bush fence push was never as strong as the Build a Wall from Trump.

Enacting on it is still shit on both counts.

It gets rid of consumer rights.

[Ism]

And?

They should not be getting sick from something we have a vaccine for and that one million dollars should not have been spent on that.



Outbreaks of measles should not happen.

They would have happened anyways.

You realize, there already exists a tiny, tiny minority of people who don't vaccinate for medical reasons and not for "anti-vaxxer" reasons, right?

Such people are generally protected by herd immunity. Outbreaks are happening now because more people than necessary are not being vaccinated. Outbreaks might happen without that high rate, but they would be far fewer and less significant in scope.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And?

They should not be getting sick from something we have a vaccine for and that one million dollars should not have been spent on that.



Outbreaks of measles should not happen.

They would have happened anyways.

You realize, there already exists a tiny, tiny minority of people who don't vaccinate for medical reasons and not for "anti-vaxxer" reasons, right?

These outbreaks happen at anti-vaxxer places.

Those people who do not vaccinate for medical reasons would be protected by herd immunity.

[Uxupox]

Then by standard international definition that would be committing genocide against a particular set of people (as fucked up as they are).

I don't believe negligent parents are a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

??? They have a national identity.

[Telconi]

Republicans have been yelling about completing the Bush fence for years.
"Clean Coal" has always been a Republican talking point.
Gauging out the EPA has always been a Republican talking point.

The only two you have is the FCC and Net Neutrality. But those are not necessarily life impacting either. I mean, I haven't felt a difference in my internet service due to Net Neutrality, either on mobile or on my computers. And I have not seen a widespread adoption of harmful practices towards consumers either, so this is an "issue" that doesn't really affect anyone yet.

The Bush fence push was never as strong as the Build a Wall from Trump.

Enacting on it is still shit on both counts.

It gets rid of consumer rights.

True.

YONM.

It also gets rid of many asinine regulations.

[Ism]

I don't believe negligent parents are a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

??? They have a national identity.

Yes, but negligent parent is not a nationality. Their nationality is American.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They would have happened anyways.

You realize, there already exists a tiny, tiny minority of people who don't vaccinate for medical reasons and not for "anti-vaxxer" reasons, right?

Such people are generally protected by herd immunity. Outbreaks are happening now because more people than necessary are not being vaccinated. Outbreaks might happen without that high rate, but they would be far fewer and less significant in scope.

Herd immunity is not a silver bullet to not get sick.

[Uxupox]

??? They have a national identity.

Yes, but negligent parent is not a nationality. Their nationality is American.

No. A national identity is not as simple as where you are from but a set of values, ethics, culture and political set of believes. Anti-Vaxxers are not just American, this damnable trend has gained traction world wide.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They would have happened anyways.

You realize, there already exists a tiny, tiny minority of people who don't vaccinate for medical reasons and not for "anti-vaxxer" reasons, right?

These outbreaks happen at anti-vaxxer places.

Those people who do not vaccinate for medical reasons would be protected by herd immunity.

It still isn't a huge problem.

It's idiots being idiots, there's always going to be a few of those.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Yes, but negligent parent is not a nationality. Their nationality is American.

No. A national identity is not as simple as where you are from but a set of values, ethics, culture and political set of believes. Anti-Vaxxers are not just American, this damnable trend has gained traction world wide.

I was unaware this was a serious issue outside America.

[Uxupox]

No. A national identity is not as simple as where you are from but a set of values, ethics, culture and political set of believes. Anti-Vaxxers are not just American, this damnable trend has gained traction world wide.

I was unaware this was a serious issue outside America.

Incidents have occurred in Costa Rica, Australia, New Zealand amongst a few others.

[Cannot think of a name]

Wait, is Anti-vaxxing becoming a campaign issue? By who?

[Ism]

Such people are generally protected by herd immunity. Outbreaks are happening now because more people than necessary are not being vaccinated. Outbreaks might happen without that high rate, but they would be far fewer and less significant in scope.

Herd immunity is not a silver bullet to not get sick.

A point which is addressed by the last sentence of my post.

Yes, but negligent parent is not a nationality. Their nationality is American.

No. A national identity is not as simple as where you are from but a set of values, ethics, culture and political set of believes. Anti-Vaxxers are not just American, this damnable trend has gained traction world wide.

We are talking strictly in the context of America, however, thus all the people in question are Americans. That being said,I think it's safe to say we've gotten off topic.