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If you could have a legacy upon the Star Wars galaxy, how would you want to be remembered?

As the fearless Jedi Knight, first into the fight against evil
3
4%
As the peacemaking Jedi Master
11
13%
As the shadow that lurks in the dark, influencing the galaxy with subtlety
9
11%
As the Sith Master that reveals themselves and dominates all opposition
18
21%
As the rogue who finds their fortune
2
2%
As the crime boss who lavishes in luxury
1
1%
As the bounty hunter that lives long enough to retire
7
8%
As the veteran soldier who fights for their cause for a lifetime
10
12%
As the daredevil explorer, placing their lives on the line to map the galaxy and reshape its very structure
10
12%
Dude, this galaxy's frickin' crazy, just let me be a normal civilian
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15%
 
Total votes : 84

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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:54 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oh, look, heresy.

She totally was right though. It's a weird aspect of the universe that they treat apparently sapient beings as property, and the only time it's ever been acknowledged was some sort of parody (I think).

Possibly because it’s quite possible to create a very large, cheap army of them to outvote anyone and everyone, and because droids are just AI, their independence is circumspect. The B1’s might technically be sapient, but are they really the same as, say, C-3P0? It’s a case by case basis, and then you get gatekeepers-as well as programmers.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:03 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Kowani wrote:Oh, look, heresy.

She totally was right though. It's a weird aspect of the universe that they treat apparently sapient beings as property, and the only time it's ever been acknowledged was some sort of parody (I think).

>Implying Clankers aren't just tools

Yeah, sure, ok.
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Postby Dylar » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:07 pm

I mean to be completely honest, droids are basically just walking and talking appliances. 3P0 is literally just Google Translate on legs, and astromechs such as R2 and BB-8 are just mobile Swiss Army knives.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:09 pm

New haven america wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:She totally was right though. It's a weird aspect of the universe that they treat apparently sapient beings as property, and the only time it's ever been acknowledged was some sort of parody (I think).

>Implying Clankers aren't just tools

Yeah, sure, ok.


Clankers have feelings too.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:
New haven america wrote:>Implying Clankers aren't just tools

Yeah, sure, ok.


Clankers have feelings too.

Not really.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:15 pm

Wanna see some objectively bad writing?
Although it's not bad if you're British, so I guess it's only subjectively bad.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:19 pm

Droids are shown time and time again to practically be sentient and to have unique personalities. Society just doesn’t care because they’re built.

This is the same society that readily uses human beings as tools just because they were cloned, so I wouldn’t call it moral.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:35 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Wanna see some objectively bad writing?
Although it's not bad if you're British, so I guess it's only subjectively bad.


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Postby Korhal IVV » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:34 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Droids are shown time and time again to practically be sentient and to have unique personalities. Society just doesn’t care because they’re built.

This is the same society that readily uses human beings as tools just because they were cloned, so I wouldn’t call it moral.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:58 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Droids are shown time and time again to practically be sentient and to have unique personalities. Society just doesn’t care because they’re built.

This is the same society that readily uses human beings as tools just because they were cloned, so I wouldn’t call it moral.

You say that, but 98% of the Battle Droids are all literally the same.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Droids are shown time and time again to practically be sentient and to have unique personalities. Society just doesn’t care because they’re built.

This is the same society that readily uses human beings as tools just because they were cloned, so I wouldn’t call it moral.

You say that, but 98% of the Battle Droids are all literally the same.

The clones are mostly the same, but they’re still people.

That level of sentience may not be possessed by the battle droids, but they have self preservation instincts and self awareness.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:16 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:You say that, but 98% of the Battle Droids are all literally the same.

The clones are mostly the same, but they’re still people.

That level of sentience may not be possessed by the battle droids, but they have self preservation instincts and self awareness.

“Self-preservation instincts”
“Battle Droids”
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:29 pm

Kowani wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:The clones are mostly the same, but they’re still people.

That level of sentience may not be possessed by the battle droids, but they have self preservation instincts and self awareness.

“Self-preservation instincts”
“Battle Droids”
Wheeze.gif.

Does no one remember the endless moments of them running away and begin terrified in Clone Wars?

Lucas’ idea of humor actually adds to the nature of how their programming works.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:41 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:“Self-preservation instincts”
“Battle Droids”
Wheeze.gif.

Does no one remember the endless moments of them running away and begin terrified in Clone Wars?

Lucas’ idea of humor actually adds to the nature of how their programming works.

We’ve also seen them try to talk back to Grievous, or admit their own incompetence right in front of him. (Anyone else remember that moment on the Malevolence where one droid admitted that he couldn’t hit anything even with the ship disabled?) The idea of self preservation only seems to exist when we need comic relief.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Does no one remember the endless moments of them running away and begin terrified in Clone Wars?

Lucas’ idea of humor actually adds to the nature of how their programming works.

We’ve also seen them try to talk back to Grievous, or admit their own incompetence right in front of him. (Anyone else remember that moment on the Malevolence where one droid admitted that he couldn’t hit anything even with the ship disabled?) The idea of self preservation only seems to exist when we need comic relief.

Inconsistent writing is still forever recorded in the lore.

(Which is partially why focusing too much on lore can be a pain)

And going back to the main topic, there are droids much smarter than battle droids.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:34 am

Kowani wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Does no one remember the endless moments of them running away and begin terrified in Clone Wars?

Lucas’ idea of humor actually adds to the nature of how their programming works.

We’ve also seen them try to talk back to Grievous, or admit their own incompetence right in front of him. (Anyone else remember that moment on the Malevolence where one droid admitted that he couldn’t hit anything even with the ship disabled?) The idea of self preservation only seems to exist when we need comic relief.

Just because they have poor judgement doesn't mean they're not sapient.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:18 pm

S3E19:
Some interesting things:

Tarkin thinks a prison that's hard to escape from is good, which is how we know he's a wrong'un. Ahsoka is appalled by this, because obviously she doesn't believe in taking prisoners.

The Separatist droid suspects R2 of working for the Republic, so he orders the battle droids accompanying R2 to take him prisoner.

I thought the Tarkin impression was pretty good up until he pronounced "plan" as "plarn". That's not how anyone speaks.

And for the second time in this series, I'm slightly confused about where Obi Wan's lightsaber came from. Did they capture him and just...let him keep it?

Echo went the way of all ARC troopers. I didn't even realise he was in this episode until a couple of seconds before he died.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:37 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Kowani wrote:We’ve also seen them try to talk back to Grievous, or admit their own incompetence right in front of him. (Anyone else remember that moment on the Malevolence where one droid admitted that he couldn’t hit anything even with the ship disabled?) The idea of self preservation only seems to exist when we need comic relief.

Just because they have poor judgement doesn't mean they're not sapient.


Rey should have been a force sensitive droid *nods*
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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Just because they have poor judgement doesn't mean they're not sapient.


Rey should have been a force sensitive droid *nods*

But... But droids don't have midi-chlorians! :o
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Rey should have been a force sensitive droid *nods*

But... But droids don't have midi-chlorians! :o


I, too, can't think of a better way to retcon that atrocity.
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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:45 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:But... But droids don't have midi-chlorians! :o


I, too, can't think of a better way to retcon that atrocity.

All Force users are droids. Explains how Darth Maul survived being cut in half too.
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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:54 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I, too, can't think of a better way to retcon that atrocity.

All Force users are droids. Explains how Darth Maul survived being cut in half too.

So I guess Qui-Gon had some essential circuitry behind his belly button?
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Postby Fedel » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:20 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:All Force users are droids. Explains how Darth Maul survived being cut in half too.

So I guess Qui-Gon had some essential circuitry behind his belly button?


Now you're getting it. :)

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Postby Platypus Bureaucracy » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:23 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:All Force users are droids. Explains how Darth Maul survived being cut in half too.

So I guess Qui-Gon had some essential circuitry behind his belly button?

Yes. Although for obvious reasons, Jedi don't have bellybuttons.
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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:45 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:So I guess Qui-Gon had some essential circuitry behind his belly button?

Yes. Although for obvious reasons, Jedi don't have bellybuttons.

Well, now he does. A rather cavernous one.

So I suppose this theory makes Shmi a master programmer whom we should hate for engineering the fall of the Republic/Rise of the Empire. And also giving her creation such an awful personality. Those sandpeople brought her what she deserved :P
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