In the United States, right-wing violence is on the rise

[Conserative Morality]

It's BOTH sides, EQUALLY. This lack of FAIRNESS is typical of the hordes of PARTISAN hacks, unlike the enlightened centrist cadre who alone can see the truth of the matter.

[Aclion]

Yup, I think we all know that right wing violence is on the rise because we've been bombarded from the media with that fact ever since Dylann Roof decided to attend bible study.

Wrong. The narrative is left wing violence not right.

Not it's not. Left wing violence is also on the rise but these events are getting buried because they don't fit the narrative. The extreme polarisation of politics is bringing all the extremists out of the woodwork, and you're helping.

[Vassenor]

Wrong. The narrative is left wing violence not right.

Not it's not. Left wing violence is also on the rise but these events are getting buried because they don't fit the narrative. The extreme polarisation of politics is bringing all the extremists out of the woodwork, and you're helping.

So what's the evidence it's on the rise? Not just happening, but actually on the rise.

[Alien Overlord]

Not it's not. Left wing violence is also on the rise but these events are getting buried because they don't fit the narrative. The extreme polarisation of politics is bringing all the extremists out of the woodwork, and you're helping.

So what's the evidence it's on the rise? Not just happening, but actually on the rise.

The increase in clashes between the Right and Left at rallies and the like. Also, increase in clashes between the Left and Police. We are seeing more of these than we used to. It takes two groups to have a clash, the Left is at fault just as much as the Right.

[Aclion]

Not it's not. Left wing violence is also on the rise but these events are getting buried because they don't fit the narrative. The extreme polarisation of politics is bringing all the extremists out of the woodwork, and you're helping.

So what's the evidence it's on the rise? Not just happening, but actually on the rise.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235
I'm not going to give get more then that. I already gave you links last time you asked for evidence and you proceeded to ignored them. You're just gaslighting for antifa.

[Vassenor]

So what's the evidence it's on the rise? Not just happening, but actually on the rise.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235
I'm not going to give get more then that. I already gave you links last time you asked for evidence and you proceeded to ignored them. You're just gaslighting for antifa.

By that logic I could say you're gaslighting for Unite The Right.

And saying there is the possibility for more does not mean more are actually happening.

[Stormwrath]

Violence on both sides is on the rise, and the only thing both sides do to remedy the situation is encourage more violence.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It’s America
Of course violence is on the rise

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

As much as I dislike the Right, it's incredibly hypocritical to pretend as if it's only the Right-wing that's becoming increasingly violent. Political violence is rising in general; and divisive, tribalistic shit like this is why.

[Aclion]

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235
I'm not going to give get more then that. I already gave you links last time you asked for evidence and you proceeded to ignored them. You're just gaslighting for antifa.

By that logic I could say you're gaslighting for Unite The Right.

And saying there is the possibility for more does not mean more are actually happening.

No you can't. Because i'm not denying reality even when presented with evidence as you are doing.
I've already provided you with links to a school shooting, police station bombing and bomb throwing incident. All these things would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

[Ifreann]

But...but...both sides!

[Vassenor]

By that logic I could say you're gaslighting for Unite The Right.

And saying there is the possibility for more does not mean more are actually happening.

No you can't. Because i'm not denying reality even when presented with evidence as you are doing.
I've already provided you with links to a school shooting, police station bombing and bomb throwing incident. All these things would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

So where have I denied reality?

[Communal concils]

I expect violence of the conservatives and the reactionaries to rise. Honestly, I don't think that such primitive people can find the best way for the united states. I do have to say that the pseudo-leftist of Antifa are doing violence.However, violence is not always bad. It is natural, we should focus on the ideological purpose of these groups. Consequences are what matter, not the petty moral dualism of western Society.

[Aclion]

No you can't. Because i'm not denying reality even when presented with evidence as you are doing.
I've already provided you with links to a school shooting, police station bombing and bomb throwing incident. All these things would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

So where have I denied reality?

In the Berkeley thread when you demanded link and then ghosted when they were provided. only to deny the content of those links here.
In the Smollett thread when you tried to use the police spokesperson not commenting on the investigation as evidence that the reports from police sources were fabricated, only to ghost one it became impossible to keep up the charade.
In the Covington thread when you spent the thread gaslighting about what happened in an incident that was live streamed for all to see.
In this thread, when you denied reality, got called out for your habit of denying reality, and then proceed to deny that reality as well.
And that's just the stuff I remember from the last few weeks. A general regular could probably go on all day.

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How can you even talk about silly, inconsequential stuff like far-right extremists literally killing people when the real terrorists, the left, are overturning trash cans and spraypainting anarchy A's on buildings?

[Ostroeuropa]

Only 25% of young millennial women consider themselves feminists, and that's the group most likely to do so.
This is by far the only disparity.

In conjunction with how broken our media and political system is in terms of actually representing the populace, it is inevitable that violence would occur from disenfranchised persons.

We've seen it with the rise of violence against migrants too in the face of decades of our systems ignoring mass opposition to continued migration.

If you do not allow people the means to effect their political situation through the ballot, they will do so through the bullet. That does not make them evil. It merely makes them people doing what people do, attempting to affect their environment and society.

Don't blame those you have disenfranchised for concluding, rightly, that their opponents are not sincere, are not democratic, and intend to impose their will using state violence against an unconsenting majority.

A bunch of Antoinette's saying the peasants are revolting and therefore bad.

You do not get to disenfranchise people, murder democracy, and wear its corpse to pretend you have legitimacy, then act like others are in the wrong because you are wearing the corpse and that makes you legitimate.

Without representation, there is simply violence, all as legitimate as other violence. The state monopoly being legitimate Is based on consent of the governed and that has long since not been present.

There is only war.

Left wing violence is enforced by the state, right wing violence by individuals.
Do you count state action as left wing violence? No, so you're basically cooking the books and nothing more.

What you mean is;
"The state has lost legitimacy, and disenfranchised people no longer view it as a legitimate monopoly on violence. Consequently, right wing violence is rising to match left wing violence. Left wing violence having come into existence when the state ceased to be acting on behalf of the public, and instead on behalf of entrenched ideological political factions imposing their view without the consent of the governed. This transformed state violence into organized left wing violence when the state lost its right to rule."

Merely because the left gaslights and says "It's different when we do it", doesn't make it so.

[Vassenor]

So where have I denied reality?

In the Berkeley thread when you demanded link and then ghosted when they were provided. only to deny the content of those links here.
In the Smollett thread when you tried to use the police spokesperson not commenting on the investigation as evidence that the reports from police sources were fabricated, only to ghost one it became impossible to keep up the charade.
In the Covington thread when you spent the thread gaslighting about what happened in an incident that was live streamed for all to see.
In this thread, when you denied reality, got called out for your habit of denying reality, and then proceed to deny that reality as well.
And that's just the stuff I remember from the last few weeks. A general regular could probably go on all day.

So I'm denying reality by not blindly accepting your narratives every time.

I'm also not the subject of this thread.

[Communal concils]

How can you even talk about silly, inconsequential stuff like far-right extremists literally killing people when the real terrorists, the left, are overturning trash cans and spraypainting anarchy A's on buildings?

Terrorist exist through out the spectrum, but I have to say that this is a bad comparison.An Anachist will do those things,however their foolishness is no were compare to the Neo-nazis terrorist methods.Out of all the things you can say about terrorism, sprying "Anarchy is 'Order' " symbol on a building does not count as terrorism.

[Aclion]

How can you even talk about silly, inconsequential stuff like far-right extremists literally killing people when the real terrorists, the left, are overturning trash cans and spraypainting anarchy A's on buildings?

Yeah it's not like one tried to shoot up a school or something.
Oh wait
Well at least no bombs were found at the police station afterwards.
Oh wait

In the Berkeley thread when you demanded link and then ghosted when they were provided. only to deny the content of those links here.
In the Smollett thread when you tried to use the police spokesperson not commenting on the investigation as evidence that the reports from police sources were fabricated, only to ghost one it became impossible to keep up the charade.
In the Covington thread when you spent the thread gaslighting about what happened in an incident that was live streamed for all to see.
In this thread, when you denied reality, got called out for your habit of denying reality, and then proceed to deny that reality as well.
And that's just the stuff I remember from the last few weeks. A general regular could probably go on all day.

So I'm denying reality by not blindly accepting your narratives every time.

I'm also not the subject of this thread.

When you reject evidence based claims because they do not suit your narrative you are denying reality.

You have asked for evidence, you have been presented with evidence. That extremism on the left is also on the rise is very relevant to this subject As your practice of giving tacit approval to violence by covering for it.

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Left wing violence is enforced by the state, right wing violence by individuals.
Do you count state action as left wing violence? No, so you're basically cooking the books and nothing more.

If a state had a left-wing government and used violence to enforce a left-wing ideology, then it would certainly count. But that's not the case right now.

[Ostroeuropa]

Left wing violence is enforced by the state, right wing violence by individuals.
Do you count state action as left wing violence? No, so you're basically cooking the books and nothing more.

If a state had a left-wing government and used violence to enforce a left-wing ideology, then it would certainly count. But that's not the case right now.

What do you call opening up the borders and preventing the public from enacting their will on the borders? Gotta say mate, seems pretty violent for you to start dismantling castles and defensive fortificaitons and beating up everyone who tries to rebuild them, despite the public demanding their existence.
"It's not violent for us to actively use violence to prevent you, the overwhelming majority of the public, running the country the ways you think it should be run."

Or enforced feminism despite opposition, including in things like due process violations, the Duluth model (Arresting male victims of DV), and so on.

[Vassenor]

How can you even talk about silly, inconsequential stuff like far-right extremists literally killing people when the real terrorists, the left, are overturning trash cans and spraypainting anarchy A's on buildings?

Yeah it's not like one tried to shoot up a school or something.
Oh wait
Well at least no bombs were found at the police station afterwards.
Oh wait

“It is unknown why Charles Landeros chose to use deadly force in this circumstance, but he clearly had no regard for the lives of the police officers or the students or staff present, including his child,” the prosecutor said in a statement to the Oregonian.

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If a state had a left-wing government and used violence to enforce a left-wing ideology, then it would certainly count. But that's not the case right now.

What do you call opening up the borders and preventing the public from enacting their will on the borders? Gotta say mate, seems pretty violent for you to start dismantling castles and defensive fortificaitons and beating up everyone who tries to rebuild them, despite the public demanding their existence.
"It's not violent for us to actively use violence to prevent you, the overwhelming majority of the public, running the country the ways you think it should be run."

Or enforced feminism despite opposition, including in things like due process violations, the Duluth model (Arresting male victims of DV), and so on.

People have a right to build a fence on their property, not to demand a fence around the whole country. And in the case of present day America, the people living on the border don't want "fortifications", especially not the ones who literally live on the border because their homes will be seized through eminent domain. Meanwhile in the UK there is an impending economic catastrophe coming with Brexit, because many who voted for Brexit thought it meant "We keep everything we like about being in the EU and get rid of everything we don't like."

There isn't really much left-wing government in the West these days. In fact, if every single state and the national Congress were 100% controlled by Democrats, the US would still be a center-right country because that's just how far the Overton Window has shifted.

[Loben]

in my opinion its about time.

[Washington Resistance Army]

but why is it being ignored and what can be done to curb it?

Nothing. We're two separate nations crammed together at this point and it's only going to get worse.