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by Anni Triatia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:29 pm
by Cosmosplosion » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:42 pm
Anni Triatia wrote:I think it is a good idea to protect workers and other people from Tobacco and Electronic Cigarettes.
by Vygarm » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:07 pm
by Kenmoria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:24 pm
Vrama wrote:This is an issue best left to individual member-states. Therefore, we vote against.
However, tobacco is already illegal in Vrama (Sec. 602-F Code of Conduct), so this really doesn't apply to us.
by Cosmosplosion » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:30 pm
Kenmoria wrote:Vrama wrote:This is an issue best left to individual member-states. Therefore, we vote against.
However, tobacco is already illegal in Vrama (Sec. 602-F Code of Conduct), so this really doesn't apply to us.
(OOC: In my opinion, the WA should intervene in domestic affairs only when there is intentional utility or the case of a basic human right. There isn’t much of a case, though one could argue there is, for international influence, but there is a fundamental right at play. Namely, the right to life and the right to the truth are both very present when dealing with cigarettes. This is OOC since my IC character will, in my opinion wrong fully, completely agree.)
“I fully agree, there is no international utility in restricting, unjustifiably, the activities of lawful organisations.”
by Cosmosplosion » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:45 pm
by Bear Connors Paradiso » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:38 pm
by Kowani » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:55 pm
Bear Connors Paradiso wrote:Tobacco's as addicting as the internet, coffee, pimple-popping videos, getting tattoos, and none of those things have a giant warning on them.
BCP doesn't need to regulate what people want to do with their own time/money.
by Elyreia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:18 pm
by Cosmosplosion » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:50 pm
Elyreia wrote:Kowani wrote:And how many of those things kill people?
Not enough to do studies on, but I have seen cases of child neglect resulting in death due to video gaming binges/additions, and Hep C is prevalent among shady tattoo dealerships, infections, too.
So the number isn't Zero, but they are there.
Bear Connors Paradiso wrote:Tobacco's as addicting as the internet, coffee, pimple-popping videos, getting tattoos, and none of those things have a giant warning on them.
BCP doesn't need to regulate what people want to do with their own time/money.
by Greater Slavil » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:17 am
by West Phoenicia » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:48 am
by Arasi Luvasa » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:43 am
by West Phoenicia » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:37 am
Arasi Luvasa wrote:"Baroness Too-Rak, there is no hones on your nation to prohibit tobacco ads, it is merely urged."
by Dirty Americans » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:59 pm
by Cosmosplosion » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:40 pm
Dirty Americans wrote:I have registered my vote against this resolution. I really feel that this is too nit picking and micromanaging. It also makes assumptions that might actually prohibit a small number of safe products. But since I appear to be in the minority I will abide by the dictatorship of the majority (or is that the regions).
by Capitalist Producers » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:59 pm
by Arasi Luvasa » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:16 pm
Capitalist Producers wrote:Attention WA members
There is a new WA Resolution called: "On Tobacco And Electronic Cigarettes
We in Capitalist Producers are AGAINST this invasion of national sovereignty on the following grounds:
— This is a purely internal matter to the individual nation states. The professional busy bodies of the WA have no reasonable cause to believe this matter has any effect on international neighbors or the world as a whole.
— What a person does to their own body is purely on them. We do not need anyone, especially politicians that would be far happier running an upscale homeowners association running our individual lives.
— Outlawing vapor cigarettes is counter productive to the stop smoking efforts on both an individual and an institutional scale. I am personally aware of seven people that quit smoking using vapor systems. While there have only been a couple studies, both show a significantly higher success rate with nicotine withdrawal using vapor systems and gradual step down of nicotine content.
— While vapor systems are not great, they are significantly better then inhaling smoke from burning tobacco. For those unable to kick the nicotine habit, vapor systems are better for the user and those around them.
— Did we learn nothing from Prohibition? The only thing this resolution will do is create some spectacularly successful black markets. See the war on drugs, cocaine, crack, meth, pills and illegal marijuana use for current examples of how real world economics and human nature work.
Never forget that it is unreasonable to assume that reasonable people will respect and follow unreasonable laws.
We strongly urge a vote against this attempt to micromanage us like children.
by Cosmosplosion » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:25 pm
Attention WA members
There is a new WA Resolution called: "On Tobacco And Electronic Cigarettes
We in Capitalist Producers are AGAINST this invasion of national sovereignty on the following grounds:
— This is a purely internal matter to the individual nation states. The professional busy bodies of the WA have no reasonable cause to believe this matter has any effect on international neighbors or the world as a whole.
— What a person does to their own body is purely on them. We do not need anyone, especially politicians that would be far happier running an upscale homeowners association running our individual lives.
— Outlawing vapor cigarettes is counter productive to the stop smoking efforts on both an individual and an institutional scale. I am personally aware of seven people that quit smoking using vapor systems. While there have only been a couple studies, both show a significantly higher success rate with nicotine withdrawal using vapor systems and gradual step down of nicotine content.
— While vapor systems are not great, they are significantly better then inhaling smoke from burning tobacco. For those unable to kick the nicotine habit, vapor systems are better for the user and those around them.
— Did we learn nothing from Prohibition? The only thing this resolution will do is create some spectacularly successful black markets. See the war on drugs, cocaine, crack, meth, pills and illegal marijuana use for current examples of how real world economics and human nature work.
Never forget that it is unreasonable to assume that reasonable people will respect and follow unreasonable laws.
We strongly urge a vote against this attempt to micromanage us like children.
by Akohos » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:12 pm
Capitalist Producers wrote:This is a purely internal matter to the individual nation states. The professional busy bodies of the WA have no reasonable cause to believe this matter has any effect on international neighbors or the world as a whole.
Capitalist Producers wrote:Did we learn nothing from Prohibition?
by Bear Connors Paradiso » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:26 pm
by Lord Dominator » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:46 pm
On Tobacco and Electronic Cigarettes was passed 14,396 votes to 2,960.
by Cosmosplosion » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:08 pm
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