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Should she be allowed to return to the UK?

Yes
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No
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Exile her to Ireland
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:A trial for what crime committed in the UK?

Having membership in a terrorist organization for starters.


Might be hard to prove that. She left 4 years ago and we don't know if she joined before she left.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:28 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Having membership in a terrorist organization for starters.


Might be hard to prove that. She left 4 years ago and we don't know if she joined before she left.

Do you think the UK should let her back in?

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:29 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Having membership in a terrorist organization for starters.


Might be hard to prove that. She left 4 years ago and we don't know if she joined before she left.

Under the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019 it has a provision for the following:

confer extra-territorial jurisdiction on a number of further offences to ensure that individuals abroad can be prosecuted for having encouraged or carried out acts of terror overseas.

So the fact that she joined the organization after she left the UK might be irrelevant in prosecuting her for membership in IS.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:30 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Might be hard to prove that. She left 4 years ago and we don't know if she joined before she left.

Do you think the UK should let her back in?


Not a chance. Fuck her.

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Postby Far Easter Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:30 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?

She is no longer deserving enough to walk on this planet anymore. She can descend to the lowest levels of hell.

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Postby Uiiop » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:33 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

Vague descriptor that seems to ignore that the original context was against excessive punishment. And ignore the context of posters going:"They should shoot her without trial" or "I just want due process in the UK before doing anything else."
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.


You know, that was the same argument she used to justify the bombing of Manchester in 2017...

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Do you think the UK should let her back in?


Not a chance. Fuck her.

I agree. The UK is taking out the trash with this one. Most if not all ISIS fighters should receive the same treatment assuming they avoid the death that they certainly deserve.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:35 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Might be hard to prove that. She left 4 years ago and we don't know if she joined before she left.

Do you think the UK should let her back in?

Does the UK have Shari'ah courts that can try her?
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.


You know, that was the same argument she used to justify the bombing of Manchester in 2017...

"But that wasn't really an eye" :roll:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:37 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Do you think the UK should let her back in?

Does the UK have Shari'ah courts that can try her?


No, the UK is a civilised country.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:39 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Does the UK have Shari'ah courts that can try her?


No

The she shouldn't be sent back.
Fartsniffage wrote:the UK is a civilised country.

So is every other piece of land where humans form communities.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No

The she shouldn't be sent back.
Fartsniffage wrote:the UK is a civilised country.

So is every other piece of land where humans form communities.


Nah.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:40 pm

Good shit.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:42 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The she shouldn't be sent back.

So is every other piece of land where humans form communities.


Nah.

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Postby The Chuck » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:43 pm

To bad that kid/baby is stuck in this shitty situation.

Though the girl made up her mind and isn't repentant so she shouldn't be allowed back. She made her bed, now she gets to sleep in it.

I'll be watching gun camera footage of the Middle East for the next couple of weeks to see if I see anything.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:43 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nah.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nah.

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Depending on which definition you use, either you or I am right.


Well I know the definition I was using when I chose the word. And it doesn't encompass places that execute people for their sexuality or religious decisions. Nor those that mutilate people for a crime.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:45 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.


Easy there, buddy. You're dog-whistling a bit too hard.

She's a terrorist sympathizer who's pretty open about her lack or remorse. I'd say "subhuman" is a pretty apt description here.

Nope. There's no such thing as a "subhuman" person. Y'all are gonna have to learn to cope with the fact that people who are just as human as you can do terrible things.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:47 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

That was literally her logic for supporting the Manchester bombings. Good going there. Good ethics.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Yusseria wrote:She's a terrorist sympathizer who's pretty open about her lack or remorse. I'd say "subhuman" is a pretty apt description here.

Nope. There's no such thing as a "subhuman" person. Y'all are gonna have to learn to cope with the fact that people who are just as human as you can do terrible things.

Nah. Sorry, you don't really get to dictate such things.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:48 pm

I just read the OP and apparently there isn't any proof of her committing war crimes. So May he they should find out if she did anything wrong outside of joining ISIS.

Also, wtfreak is a "jihadi bride" lol? If we're using "jihadi" as it should be used that's one of the best men a woman could marry.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

Liriena wrote:
Yusseria wrote:She's a terrorist sympathizer who's pretty open about her lack or remorse. I'd say "subhuman" is a pretty apt description here.

Nope. There's no such thing as a "subhuman" person. Y'all are gonna have to learn to cope with the fact that people who are just as human as you can do terrible things.

They should be treated differently than a innocent human though. We hung Nazi war criminals as the trash they were, and the same fate should be bestowed to ISIS fighters.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:50 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liriena wrote:Nope. There's no such thing as a "subhuman" person. Y'all are gonna have to learn to cope with the fact that people who are just as human as you can do terrible things.

They should be treated differently than a innocent human though. We hung Nazi war criminals as the trash they were, and the same fate should be bestowed to ISIS fighters.

At the risk of playing devil's advocate, the Nazis didn't have a fair trial. So maybe not have ISIS soldiers have the same fate as the Nazis?
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