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PANGANIA
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Postby PANGANIA » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:54 am

What if you carry pepper spray? Then you can spray it in all directions and run. Risky though.

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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am

Pangania wrote:What if you carry pepper spray? Then you can spray it in all directions and run. Risky though.


Not overly so. You're not supposed to carry it in your purse for reasons like this, but if it's on the outside of your purse and they don't have guns, spray, pray, and runaway.
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Postby Jeminia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am

I'd take a fourth option: run like hell.

I'm decently athletic, and, since the muggers are armed only with knives, I'm safe as long as I can keep them at a distance. Assuming I can evade them long enough to reach safety or get my hands on something I can use to fight back, I get to keep both my life and the contents of my wallet. If they manage to catch up to me, then I'll take the first option, since they're unlikely to be quite as willing to let me live if they've had to chase after me for several minutes.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:56 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Don't count on it.

... OK then, I'll remember to hire trained snipers to watch me 24/7


...Or you could just carry a gun and be better aware of your surroundings. No one is responsible for your safety.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:58 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:... OK then, I'll remember to hire trained snipers to watch me 24/7


...Or you could just carry a gun and be better aware of your surroundings. No one is responsible for your safety.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:59 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what if they did so out of a sense of honour?

warrior's pride etc?

You'd be a moron.


I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:You'd be a moron.


I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it


What exactly is the honour here?
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:01 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:... OK then, I'll remember to hire trained snipers to watch me 24/7

That’s actually a good idea.

Shame that the person who hugged you as a greeting is now dead because the snipers wrongly interpreted it as an attack on you...
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Postby Prusenreich » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:02 am

But I am wearing full plate armor so the knifes probably won't go through the armor
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The Free Joy State
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:02 am

Why am I walking around (a presumably shady area) with all my ID and that much money (cards, cash and ID are the only things I care about in this scenario, by the way)? Why didn't I get a taxi?

As for the scenario, hand over my purse, go home, and cancel everything (cards/ID) that I'd lost.

My life is more important than anything I'm carrying, no martial arts training could defend me against three knives.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:02 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:You'd be a moron.


I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it

You'd still be a moron.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:03 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it

You'd still be a moron.


Worse.

A dead one.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:03 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it

You'd still be a moron.

^^

Principles mean jackshit when you die for no good reason.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:That’s actually a good idea.

Shame that the person who hugged you as a greeting is now dead because the snipers wrongly interpreted it as an attack on you...

They must be pretty shitty snipers, and if I am casually carrying 3K in my wallet I'm pretty sure I can hire some good ones.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 am

The New California Republic wrote:Shame that the person who hugged you as a greeting is now dead because the snipers wrongly interpreted it as an attack on you...

I hate hugs anyway. It would be more of a legal issue, but it the snipers are from the government, so I think we’re good.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:You'd be a moron.


I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

It isn't dishonourable to get mugged. It takes a serious dose of victim-blaming to think that it is...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:No, seriously who carries 3000 USD (GBP, Euro) with them at night, alone?

Oooooh, i'm a drugs dealer, aren't I? :lol:

The only kinds of people that carry around that kind of cash as an everyday occurrence must be into some really dirty deals.

The only person I can remember seeing with that kind of money in their wallet was a middle-aged man in a suit. Could have been more €3,000 actually, big thick wad of fifties. I've always thought it a bit suspicious.


Infected Mushroom wrote:this is a very brave forum

over 50% of posters would fight

I'm impressed by the True Courage

It's stupidity, not courage.
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:You'd be a moron.


I think there is something unbelievably beautiful about valuing your honour so much you'd be willing to die for it

its not always just about the wallet, sometimes its just the principle of what it stands for; you can't have people walk over you

personally I have struggled to carry that kind of Courage but some people seem to have it


IM, go and sign up for five different martial arts or self defense classes, then ask the instructors what you should do in this scenario on the first day.

They will all tell you that you hand over your wallet.

Fighting in this hypothetical is really stupid.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:09 am

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Postby PANGANIA » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The only kinds of people that carry around that kind of cash as an everyday occurrence must be into some really dirty deals.

The only person I can remember seeing with that kind of money in their wallet was a middle-aged man in a suit. Could have been more €3,000 actually, big thick wad of fifties. I've always thought it a bit suspicious.


Infected Mushroom wrote:this is a very brave forum

over 50% of posters would fight

I'm impressed by the True Courage

It's stupidity, not courage.


Nah nah it's courage alright some thugs approach you and you pull some matrix shit where you dodge all their knives and beat them all up then that makes you courageous. Not stupid. Stupid is if you fail it and get stabbed multiple times.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:this is a very brave forum

over 50% of posters would fight

I'm impressed by the True Courage

It's stupidity, not courage.

Of course, people tend to be tougher on the internet, too...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:13 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
It's stupidity, not courage.

Of course, people tend to be tougher on the internet, too...


Really? Why is the internet full with special snowflakes?
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:32 am

You are unarmed


???

???????

What does this sentence mean?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:34 am

Hmm, I'm torn on this one. On one hand you are supposedly a highly trained operator in hand to hand combat, while the 3 thugs do not possess such training, and the only weapon they possess is a knife. Seems to me it would all depend on how the fight goes down and whether or not, our trained self is able to neutralize one threat for a knife or use what ever is available to use as a melee weapon. Would tossing your wallet just out of the reach of the furthest thug with a knife gain an advantage to neutralize the closest threat?

Or I guess one could go on a revenge mission after giving up your wallet and kill all three at a later time or kill everyone they know and love and leave the three thugs as cripples for the rest of their lives knowing they lost everything dear to them over a 1000 dollars a piece.

Either way, it is a tall order in taking on all 3.

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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:35 am

Len Hyet wrote:
You are unarmed


???

???????

What does this sentence mean?

We've cut off your arms.

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