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by Korhal IVV » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:27 pm
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by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:51 pm
by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:52 pm
Kowani wrote:Can I just mention that “Hyperspace Ramming@ is an absolute terrible idea? From a storytelling standpoint and a tactical one?
Plus, it’s completely nonsensical, but it’s Star Wars, so I’m gonna let the physics slide.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:54 pm
and thematically appropriate, I'ma gonna let it slide.
by Bloodshade » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:06 pm
Valrifell wrote:Everytime TLJ and Rian Johnson is brought up in this thread, I am contractually obligated to remind everyone that, in fact, he did nothing wrong.
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by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:20 pm
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:27 pm
Valrifell wrote:
The transformers movies are actually visual vomit, and if you disagree I respect your opinion but you're objectively wrong.
It's been a bit of time since I've seen the movie, but it's kind of closure for Poe's arc since he's (supposed) to be the reason why it had to happen, but he doesn't get to be the hero this time.
by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:41 pm
Kowani wrote:Valrifell wrote:
The transformers movies are actually visual vomit, and if you disagree I respect your opinion but you're objectively wrong.
It's been a bit of time since I've seen the movie, but it's kind of closure for Poe's arc since he's (supposed) to be the reason why it had to happen, but he doesn't get to be the hero this time.
I am not talking about character arcs, I am talking about world building right now. At the very least, making sure that things fit together in a semi-logical fashion.
Hyperspace ramming? Nah.
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:43 pm
Valrifell wrote:Kowani wrote:I am not talking about character arcs, I am talking about world building right now. At the very least, making sure that things fit together in a semi-logical fashion.
Hyperspace ramming? Nah.
Is there a particular in-universe thing that doesn't jive with that or is it the physics of hitting a dust particle at that speed would kill you anyway?
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:56 pm
Kowani wrote:I was merely talking from a story standpoint. Either this is a capital ship killer, in which case there would be no reason to build capital ships, or it’s not in which case there’s no reason to use it. Additionally, ramming is one of the oldest naval techniques there is, so there’s no reason nobody thought of it before. And yet it’s not common. Rather, it’s treated as some tactical breakthrough. Bull-shit. Additionally, that kind of maneuver makes almost all ship combat obsolete-why bother building snub fighters when you can just snipe each other from across the system with a cheap frigate? Essentially, hyperspace ramming as a tactic should fundamentally alter the Star Wars universe. Yet it does not.
by The first Galactic Republic » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:04 pm
Valrifell wrote:
The transformers movies are actually visual vomit, and if you disagree I respect your opinion but you're objectively wrong.
It's been a bit of time since I've seen the movie, but it's kind of closure for Poe's arc since he's (supposed) to be the reason why it had to happen, but he doesn't get to be the hero this time.
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:07 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Kowani wrote:That. Is not my point. The tactics of Star Wars are consistent with the technology they have. Lasers are line of sight, therefore dogfights. Missiles are unreliable, so few point blank defenses. Ion Cannons are energy expensive, so no electronic defenses. If you look through the history of Star Wars, ship designs change over time to accommodate both technology and tactical ideas. It’s why the hammerhead cruiser was widely used until Bombers became commonplace. Hyperspace ramming is not original as an idea, raises many questions of why nobody thought of it before, and should shift dramatically the style of fighting. I made a post on this earlier:
Additionally-physics.
We’ve seen ships come out of hyperspace before. They don’t have any extra speed or force, they don’t even gradually slow. Essentially, what was done was teleport in the middle of a ship, which, while devastating, was most certainly not the fleet killer we saw. But. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that ships do gain speed. (Ignoring the fact that the rapid deceleration would kill everyone onboard.) Fleets would be obsolete in days!
It's almost like Disney doesn't give a shit about Star Wars and the universe it inherited, only the brand!
by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:26 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Kowani wrote:That. Is not my point. The tactics of Star Wars are consistent with the technology they have. Lasers are line of sight, therefore dogfights. Missiles are unreliable, so few point blank defenses. Ion Cannons are energy expensive, so no electronic defenses. If you look through the history of Star Wars, ship designs change over time to accommodate both technology and tactical ideas. It’s why the hammerhead cruiser was widely used until Bombers became commonplace. Hyperspace ramming is not original as an idea, raises many questions of why nobody thought of it before, and should shift dramatically the style of fighting. I made a post on this earlier:
Additionally-physics.
We’ve seen ships come out of hyperspace before. They don’t have any extra speed or force, they don’t even gradually slow. Essentially, what was done was teleport in the middle of a ship, which, while devastating, was most certainly not the fleet killer we saw. But. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that ships do gain speed. (Ignoring the fact that the rapid deceleration would kill everyone onboard.) Fleets would be obsolete in days!
It's almost like Disney doesn't give a shit about Star Wars and the universe it inherited, only the brand!
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:28 pm
Valrifell wrote:Eternal Lotharia wrote:
It's almost like Disney doesn't give a shit about Star Wars and the universe it inherited, only the brand!
Well, duh, it's not like any other corporation on the planet would've treated it with more respect. But I don't think that the point on hyperspace ramming is anything more than a nitpick, tbh.
by Valrifell » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:29 pm
Kowani wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Well, duh, it's not like any other corporation on the planet would've treated it with more respect. But I don't think that the point on hyperspace ramming is anything more than a nitpick, tbh.
I’m not saying that the entire film is awful. It has good points and...not so good points. But if part of the fuckin’ climax rests on things that make no goddamn sense, that’s gonna jump out at me.
by Idzequitch » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:30 pm
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:32 pm
Valrifell wrote:Kowani wrote:I’m not saying that the entire film is awful. It has good points and...not so good points. But if part of the fuckin’ climax rests on things that make no goddamn sense, that’s gonna jump out at me.
It didn't to me, but then again I'm not very well-versed in the extended lore of the universe. It's probably not a widely used tactic because it's a suicide thing.
by Idzequitch » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:36 pm
Kowani wrote:Valrifell wrote:
It didn't to me, but then again I'm not very well-versed in the extended lore of the universe. It's probably not a widely used tactic because it's a suicide thing.
It’s both far more efficient then anything else, and because we know through TCW that vulture droids exist, you can use self piloted ships to do it. Snipe fleets from across the system.
Cheap Death Stars? Hyperspace Ram a pkanet with a Super Star Destroyer.
by Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:38 pm
Idzequitch wrote:Kowani wrote:It’s both far more efficient then anything else, and because we know through TCW that vulture droids exist, you can use self piloted ships to do it. Snipe fleets from across the system.
Cheap Death Stars? Hyperspace Ram a pkanet with a Super Star Destroyer.
Canonically speaking, coming too close to a planet while in hyperspace typically results in being pulled out of hyperspace. Like one of the Empire's Interdictor ships, but natural.
by Rhinocera » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:47 pm
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If there was going to be a Vader movie, i would like to see it based on him hunting down a surviving jedi somewhere, maybe one who has been leading a rebel cell or something, Could be cool.
by Bloodshade » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:08 pm
Rhinocera wrote:I know this is an incredible stretch, but as he never actually died on screen and we've scene characters survive worse, perhaps a stand alone where Vader and the star wars galaxy's resident bad ass windu hunt eachother. Windu was one of the few jedi who actually used anger to his advantge and Samuel L. Jackson, if I'm correct, has said that he wouldn't mind coming back as a one handed ass-kicking machine. Vader vs Windu, the fight of the century, forget the Thrilla in Manila.
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by Ism » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:39 pm
by Vassenor » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:58 am
Ism wrote:The biggest issue with the ramming is due to the context it happened in. I mean, if the Raddus just took the Supremacy out of the fight, I would agree it's not a bid deal. Remember, a starfighter crashing into the Executor's bridge while it's shields were down ended the super star destroyer. But the Raddus causes massive damage to the Supremacy and destroys close to a dozen star destroyers. So, for the cost of the Raddus and Holdo the Resistance takes out a FO fleet of star destroyers, and all the materials and personnel that entails, and seriously damages the Supremacy, which also will lead to a great loss of life and resources for the FO, even if the Supremacy itself is not lost. It is such an effective tactic that the fact it is only used here is glaring, especially when, as Kowani pointed out, automated ships are absolutely possible, so no loss of life is necessary to use this tactic on a massive scale.
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