I asked Fr. Mike and he said you can you can also take Venerables as name saints.
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by Salus Maior » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:42 pm
by Luminesa » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:49 pm
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:53 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Due to recent disagreements I've had with a bunch of Orthodox positions on things like whether other churches have sacraments, I'm seriously considering talking to my local Catholic priest about RCIA. I'm kind of fed up with the triumphalism in the Orthodox Church, how we tend to disrespect other churches, and lastly that some of our positions appear obstinate. I still harbor serious doubts about Papal infallibility, but I'm semi-convinced that the Pope of Rome does have a unique position in the early Church, as attested by many fathers even in the East. I'm also disappointed by the lack of engagement with the world I've encountered in Orthodoxy regarding relatively little charitable activity from parishes and dioceses, up to and including that some dioceses actually refuse to do interfaith charity. I still think the Orthodox Church is venerable and has valid sacraments, but I have serious doubts about its claim to be the "one" true Church now. This could be a passing feeling, but I felt I should give a heads up about it.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:00 pm
Diopolis wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Due to recent disagreements I've had with a bunch of Orthodox positions on things like whether other churches have sacraments, I'm seriously considering talking to my local Catholic priest about RCIA. I'm kind of fed up with the triumphalism in the Orthodox Church, how we tend to disrespect other churches, and lastly that some of our positions appear obstinate. I still harbor serious doubts about Papal infallibility, but I'm semi-convinced that the Pope of Rome does have a unique position in the early Church, as attested by many fathers even in the East. I'm also disappointed by the lack of engagement with the world I've encountered in Orthodoxy regarding relatively little charitable activity from parishes and dioceses, up to and including that some dioceses actually refuse to do interfaith charity. I still think the Orthodox Church is venerable and has valid sacraments, but I have serious doubts about its claim to be the "one" true Church now. This could be a passing feeling, but I felt I should give a heads up about it.
Why don't you drop by a Catholic parish sometime soon and check out the church?
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:05 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:
A historically interesting choice, certainly; but he's not a saint; he was beatified in 2004, but hasn't been canonised.
Are Catholics allowed to take non-canonised but beatified individuals as their name saint? Asking out of curiosity, not to contest the point.
by Luminesa » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:06 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:Why don't you drop by a Catholic parish sometime soon and check out the church?
I plan on doing so, probably the one closest, but RCIA would be a hassle because I move back and forth between school and home, and I also worry there will be a bit of a culture shock coming from the Orthodox liturgy into a Novus Ordo parish (both of the ones I saw near me used contemporary worship music).
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:06 pm
Luminesa wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:I plan on doing so, probably the one closest, but RCIA would be a hassle because I move back and forth between school and home, and I also worry there will be a bit of a culture shock coming from the Orthodox liturgy into a Novus Ordo parish (both of the ones I saw near me used contemporary worship music).
I mean, contemporary music in Mass can feel off, but you should join a church because you feel this is how you can best worship God. Not just for the music, though as a choir-girl I can tell you that good music does help worship a lot.
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:09 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:Why don't you drop by a Catholic parish sometime soon and check out the church?
I plan on doing so, probably the one closest, but RCIA would be a hassle because I move back and forth between school and home, and I also worry there will be a bit of a culture shock coming from the Orthodox liturgy into a Novus Ordo parish (both of the ones I saw near me used contemporary worship music).
by Salus Maior » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:14 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:18 pm
Diopolis wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:I plan on doing so, probably the one closest, but RCIA would be a hassle because I move back and forth between school and home, and I also worry there will be a bit of a culture shock coming from the Orthodox liturgy into a Novus Ordo parish (both of the ones I saw near me used contemporary worship music).
Traditional Latin mass parishes are rather known for using private instruction rather than RCIA. I don't know what eastern rite parishes do, but the process for joining the church through one of them may well be simpler from eastern Orthodoxy than otherwise. Both of those options- and also most Anglican ordinariate parishes- are going to use a far more reverent liturgy than a typical Novus Ordo.
by Salus Maior » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:19 pm
Diopolis wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
A historically interesting choice, certainly; but he's not a saint; he was beatified in 2004, but hasn't been canonised.
Are Catholics allowed to take non-canonised but beatified individuals as their name saint? Asking out of curiosity, not to contest the point.
The difference between a blessed and a saint is not one of sanctity. A saint's cultus is approved as an example for the whole church; a blessed's cultus is approved only for a part of the church, but not considered to necessarily be a worthy example for parts of the church which do not have a special connection to him. A classic example would be Charlemagne, who is a blessed with a public cultus approved for the parts of the church located in territories which he once ruled, but not for the broader church. He will probably never be canonized for, a variety of reasons. On the other hand, Jose Sanchez del Rio was a blessed whose cultus was approved for the parts of Mexico which took part in the cristero revolt, whose cultus was later judged worthy of being expanded to the entire church.
As an aside, this is one of the beefs I have with current policy in the Vatican; beatification is often a step on the way to canonization, but it is not necessarily an indication that an individual must be canonized.
So the TL;DR version is that it could potentially be appropriate to take a blessed as a confirmation saint, but it's not the norm and would definitely not be suitable for any individual to take any blessed.
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:19 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:Traditional Latin mass parishes are rather known for using private instruction rather than RCIA. I don't know what eastern rite parishes do, but the process for joining the church through one of them may well be simpler from eastern Orthodoxy than otherwise. Both of those options- and also most Anglican ordinariate parishes- are going to use a far more reverent liturgy than a typical Novus Ordo.
I'm afraid neither of those is a viable option for where I'm located.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:20 pm
Luminesa wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
I'm not Catholic, so have no brief to defend the Papacy.
But it's not a secret that there have been bad Popes and good Popes; and that some of the bad Popes were spectacularly bad.
All the same, I'd rather criticise the Papacy for things it's actually done wrong rather than things that more likely than not never happened. So the 10th-century pornocracy? Very, very bad. Covering up 20th-century child abuse? Very, very bad. The Banquet of Chestnuts? Meh.
I know Orthodoxy is different with Confirmation, but who is your saint? Just curious.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:21 pm
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:32 pm
by Luminesa » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:33 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:37 pm
Diopolis wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Either one, there's no Eastern Catholic Church nearby that I'm aware of, no Anglican ordinariate, and the only Latin parish I know of is Nashville that's not SSPX.
SSPX conversions are sometimes recognized by the local authorities, sometimes not. Either way, they have ordinary jurisdiction for about half the things they do now, and claim supplied jurisdiction on the other half.
Wait, you're in Tennessee? The fathers of divine mercy are somewhere around there and offer a relatively reverent novus ordo, or at least I've heard they do. Probably still a drive.
by Luminesa » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:39 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Luminesa wrote:I mean, contemporary music in Mass can feel off, but you should join a church because you feel this is how you can best worship God. Not just for the music, though as a choir-girl I can tell you that good music does help worship a lot.
Contemporary music doesn't feel like the best way to worship God, though, is what I mean.
by Diopolis » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:42 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:SSPX conversions are sometimes recognized by the local authorities, sometimes not. Either way, they have ordinary jurisdiction for about half the things they do now, and claim supplied jurisdiction on the other half.
Wait, you're in Tennessee? The fathers of divine mercy are somewhere around there and offer a relatively reverent novus ordo, or at least I've heard they do. Probably still a drive.
What city are they in?
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:44 pm
Diopolis wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:What city are they in?
I'm not sure. I've just met people at traditional Catholic gatherings who claim to drive to a reverent novus ordo from the fathers of divine mercy who live along the border between tennessee and kentucky.
Edit: They're actually in Auburn Kentucky. I'm not sure where that is. Here's their website.
by Angleter » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:55 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:19 pm
Angleter wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Either one, there's no Eastern Catholic Church nearby that I'm aware of, no Anglican ordinariate, and the only Latin parish I know of is Nashville that's not SSPX.
This website might help with finding a nearby TLM. Even the churches that only do a TLM once a month will probably have a relatively reverent Novus Ordo and a decent RCIA / instruction programme.
by Salus Maior » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:27 pm
Nor Portland wrote:
Firstly, good luck on your journey to Baptism!
Second, why did you choose him exactly? Do you feel a special conenction to him?
Salus Maior wrote:
It's a pretty awesome story that's for sure xD
I decided to pick Charles after reading a biography on his life, honestly in a lot of ways he exemplifies the man I always wanted to be. Very self-sacrificial, devoted to all his duties, to his family, and very devout.
by Aeritai » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:28 pm
by Minachia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:47 pm
Aeritai wrote:So what's your opinion on some Christians that use fear to get people to believe in our Lord?
Like for example when the Super Blood Moon happen last month some Chrisitans, but not all started preaching about the end times and scaring people.
And it is in my personal opinion that we shouldn't use fear to get people into our faith rather we should preach more about God's love for everyone and to show everybody he is a good Father.
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