How Would You Improve the American Education System?

[Auze]

It’s just a contest to see who can be more edgy, isn’t it.

This coming from someone who described their life philosophy in the RWDT as “Nihilistic Narcissism”. Please forgive me if I seem impolite, but does that not seem edgy to you?

NSG is like a sawmill, there's plenty of edge to go around.

[Xmara]

I have an idea, how about actually teaching grammar to younger students. My school didn't even teach how to diagram sentences.

I never understood the purpose of diagramming sentences. Of course, English was always my worst subject.

[Valrifell]

I have an idea, how about actually teaching grammar to younger students. My school didn't even teach how to diagram sentences.

A lot of grammar education, in my experience, always seemed like it was playing a game of catching up - constantly. Would be nice to see students get the head start.

That would be nice. I don't know why but I've always felt knowing how to diagram a sentence would be a good skill to have.

Perhaps it would help me fix my problem of never ending run-on sentences held together by duct-tape and commas.

[Valrifell]

I have an idea, how about actually teaching grammar to younger students. My school didn't even teach how to diagram sentences.

I never understood the purpose of diagramming sentences. Of course, English was always my worst subject.

It makes it easier to know when you've made a sentence and clarifies thoughts. In other words, it helps you know when to just stop writing and put the damn period down.

Or any other punctuation, really. All of those things together help to make your writing flow and read better.

[Kannap]

I never understood the purpose of diagramming sentences. Of course, English was always my worst subject.

It makes it easier to know when you've made a sentence and clarifies thoughts. In other words, it helps you know when to just stop writing and put the damn period down.

Or any other punctuation, really. All of those things together help to make your writing flow and read better.

Dunno, I don't - think that ~ diagramming; sentences, ever helped? me: and I'm doing. fine!

[The Lone Alliance]

Make it mandatory that any private entity that proposes a new program will have to 100% pay for said program forever out of their own pocket.

Watch all these new programs vanish when the private companies trying to profit off them lose their incentive.

[Kannap]

Make it mandatory that any private entity that proposes a new program will have to 100% pay for said program forever out of their own pocket.

Watch all these new programs vanish when the private companies trying to profit off them lose their incentive.

Just go ahead and solve the problem the EZ pass way by banning private education institutions

[The New California Republic]

Get rid of the Pledge of Allegiance to save a bit of time every day as a start.

[Kannap]

Get rid of the Pledge of Allegiance to save a bit of time every day as a start.

The Pledge of Allegiance definitely needs to go.

[Aellex]

Make it mandatory that any private entity that proposes a new program will have to 100% pay for said program forever out of their own pocket.

Watch all these new programs vanish when the private companies trying to profit off them lose their incentive.

Just go ahead and solve the problem the EZ pass way by banning private education institutions

And watch as your education fall even lower than it is standing now.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Get rid of the Pledge of Allegiance to save a bit of time every day as a start.

The Pledge of Allegiance definitely needs to go.

I disagree. The Pledge of Allegiance must stay, although in my... ideal version of America, I'd make some slight adjustments to the Pledge itself.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the North American Union, and to the Technate for which it stands, one Nation, indivisible, with brotherhood and justice and unity for all.

Does it sound good? I tried reciting it a few times, and it worked well. What do you all think?

[Kannap]

Just go ahead and solve the problem the EZ pass way by banning private education institutions

And watch as your education fall even lower than it is standing now.

Doubtful, depending on the state you're in education is already pretty rock bottom.

[Aellex]

And watch as your education fall even lower than it is standing now.

Doubtful, depending on the state you're in education is already pretty rock bottom.

"It's already bad" isn't much of an excuse to make it worse tho.

[Kannap]

The Pledge of Allegiance definitely needs to go.

I disagree. The Pledge of Allegiance must stay, although in my... ideal version of America, I'd make some slight adjustments to the Pledge itself.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the North American Union, and to the Technate for which it stands, one Nation, indivisible, with brotherhood and justice and unity for all.

Does it sound good? I tried reciting it a few times, and it worked well. What do you all think?

I mean, my personal reason for doing away with the Pledge of Allegiance is that it puts nation before God. I view many things the government has done historically as awful and wrong, immoral, and therefore I can't bring myself to put the nation before God, my allegiance is to God and not the United States flag or the government.

That being said, other people have non-religious reasons for opposing the Pledge of Allegiance as well.

[Kannap]

Doubtful, depending on the state you're in education is already pretty rock bottom.

"It's already bad" isn't much of an excuse to make it worse tho.

Can't get worse than rock bottom, unless you're content to just sit there and not try to get out of the hole you're sitting in.

Education needs to be entirely publicly funded, needs to be publicly provided, every citizen needs access to an education. The alternative, if you prefer, is homeschool.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I disagree. The Pledge of Allegiance must stay, although in my... ideal version of America, I'd make some slight adjustments to the Pledge itself.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the North American Union, and to the Technate for which it stands, one Nation, indivisible, with brotherhood and justice and unity for all.

Does it sound good? I tried reciting it a few times, and it worked well. What do you all think?

I mean, my personal reason for doing away with the Pledge of Allegiance is that it puts nation before God. I view many things the government has done historically as awful and wrong, immoral, and therefore I can't bring myself to put the nation before God, my allegiance is to God and not the United States flag or the government.

That being said, other people have non-religious reasons for opposing the Pledge of Allegiance as well.

Ah, my apologies. I didn't wish to be impolite, and I hope that we can make amends!

[Aellex]

"It's already bad" isn't much of an excuse to make it worse tho.

Can't get worse than rock bottom, unless you're content to just sit there and not try to get out of the hole you're sitting in.

Education needs to be entirely publicly funded, needs to be publicly provided, every citizen needs access to an education. The alternative, if you prefer, is homeschool.

I'd much rather have a State provided education for everyone with private alternative (tho with a curriculum approved by it too) being available for those gifted enough.

Not everyone is as able to learn and those that do not shouldn't impede the ones who want to. The State can simply not discriminate in such a way so we have to leave it to private actors.

[Catholic Britannia (Ancient)]

Return to a Classical Liberal education system based around the Trivium in primary school and the Quadrivium in secondary.

In primary school:
1.) Grammar — traditionally Latin and Greek, but early childhood is the age to learn language and be able to properly identify objects and concepts.
2.) Logic — identifying how things work together, or contradict, and being able to run experiments, both physical and mental, to prove or disprove claims.
3.) Rhetoric — being able to accurately explain the findings from the previous two subjects and formulate a compelling argument.

In secondary school:
1.) Arithmetic — quantifying data and representing concepts in number.
2.) Geometry — studying number in space. This enables us to construct models to represent three-dimensional objects
3.) Music — this is number in time. This is a well-documented subject known to improve cognition among students.
4.) Astronomy — this is number in time and space. While originally concerned with the study of the heavens, this is more accurately the study of Physics.

Certain other subjects can be included to produce a well-rounded person: Physical Education (mens sana in corpore sano), Civics, perhaps even Home Economics can be argued for. Jesuit educators have long held the aim of teaching the whole man. Study of Artes Mechanicae can be left to trade schools. Subjects like History, Philosophy, Theology, Economics, Law, and Medicine belong in post-secondary education historically.

The brilliant thing about the Seven Liberal Arts is that they teach the student how to think, over what to think. Teaching to produce good standardised test scores produces good test-takers. Teaching to think critically about the world around the student produces free thinkers.

[Genivaria]

Return to a Classical Liberal education system based around the Trivium in primary school and the Quadrivium in secondary.

In primary school:
1.) Grammar — traditionally Latin and Greek, but early childhood is the age to learn language and be able to properly identify objects and concepts.
2.) Logic — identifying how things work together, or contradict, and being able to run experiments, both physical and mental, to prove or disprove claims.
3.) Rhetoric — being able to accurately explain the findings from the previous two subjects and formulate a compelling argument.

In secondary school:
1.) Arithmetic — quantifying data and representing concepts in number.
2.) Geometry — studying number in space. This enables us to construct models to represent three-dimensional objects
3.) Music — this is number in time. This is a well-documented subject known to improve cognition among students.
4.) Astronomy — this is number in time and space. While originally concerned with the study of the heavens, this is more accurately the study of Physics.

Certain other subjects can be included to produce a well-rounded person: Physical Education (mens sana in corpore sano), Civics, perhaps even Home Economics can be argued for. Jesuit educators have long held the aim of teaching the whole man. Study of Artes Mechanicae can be left to trade schools. Subjects like History, Philosophy, Theology, Economics, Law, and Medicine belong in post-secondary education historically.

The brilliant thing about the Seven Liberal Arts is that they teach the student how to think, over what to think. Teaching to produce good standardised test scores produces good test-takers. Teaching to think critically about the world around the student produces free thinkers.

You know I have to admit, I kind of like this idea.
The number of subjects needs an increase though.

[Geneviev]

"It's already bad" isn't much of an excuse to make it worse tho.

Can't get worse than rock bottom, unless you're content to just sit there and not try to get out of the hole you're sitting in.

Education needs to be entirely publicly funded, needs to be publicly provided, every citizen needs access to an education. The alternative, if you prefer, is homeschool.

Not everyone can homeschool, private education should still exist for anyone who needs an alternative. It could be hard to publicly fund boarding, and religious education can't be public.

Return to a Classical Liberal education system based around the Trivium in primary school and the Quadrivium in secondary.

In primary school:
1.) Grammar — traditionally Latin and Greek, but early childhood is the age to learn language and be able to properly identify objects and concepts.
2.) Logic — identifying how things work together, or contradict, and being able to run experiments, both physical and mental, to prove or disprove claims.
3.) Rhetoric — being able to accurately explain the findings from the previous two subjects and formulate a compelling argument.

In secondary school:
1.) Arithmetic — quantifying data and representing concepts in number.
2.) Geometry — studying number in space. This enables us to construct models to represent three-dimensional objects
3.) Music — this is number in time. This is a well-documented subject known to improve cognition among students.
4.) Astronomy — this is number in time and space. While originally concerned with the study of the heavens, this is more accurately the study of Physics.

Certain other subjects can be included to produce a well-rounded person: Physical Education (mens sana in corpore sano), Civics, perhaps even Home Economics can be argued for. Jesuit educators have long held the aim of teaching the whole man. Study of Artes Mechanicae can be left to trade schools. Subjects like History, Philosophy, Theology, Economics, Law, and Medicine belong in post-secondary education historically.

The brilliant thing about the Seven Liberal Arts is that they teach the student how to think, over what to think. Teaching to produce good standardised test scores produces good test-takers. Teaching to think critically about the world around the student produces free thinkers.

Actually, this is a good idea. Especially the music.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Return to a Classical Liberal education system based around the Trivium in primary school and the Quadrivium in secondary.

In primary school:
1.) Grammar — traditionally Latin and Greek, but early childhood is the age to learn language and be able to properly identify objects and concepts.
2.) Logic — identifying how things work together, or contradict, and being able to run experiments, both physical and mental, to prove or disprove claims.
3.) Rhetoric — being able to accurately explain the findings from the previous two subjects and formulate a compelling argument.

In secondary school:
1.) Arithmetic — quantifying data and representing concepts in number.
2.) Geometry — studying number in space. This enables us to construct models to represent three-dimensional objects
3.) Music — this is number in time. This is a well-documented subject known to improve cognition among students.
4.) Astronomy — this is number in time and space. While originally concerned with the study of the heavens, this is more accurately the study of Physics.

Certain other subjects can be included to produce a well-rounded person: Physical Education (mens sana in corpore sano), Civics, perhaps even Home Economics can be argued for. Jesuit educators have long held the aim of teaching the whole man. Study of Artes Mechanicae can be left to trade schools. Subjects like History, Philosophy, Theology, Economics, Law, and Medicine belong in post-secondary education historically.

The brilliant thing about the Seven Liberal Arts is that they teach the student how to think, over what to think. Teaching to produce good standardised test scores produces good test-takers. Teaching to think critically about the world around the student produces free thinkers.

Y'know, I concur with your assessment. I especially admire the acknowledgement that the whole person must be educated, and this benefits everyone, allowing for self and society alike to flourish.

[Saiwania]

Here is what I have in mind for US education. The one value I want to instill if nothing else, is obedience to the state and corporations.

To that end, there must be centralized state control over all aspects of education. No more local school boards, homeschooling, or alternative methods. The state should be micromanaging the curriculum for the whole nation with corporations in an advisory role to outline what needs to be taught for desired employees.

All existing schools private or public, should be given the ultimatum to voluntarily have their curriculums absorbed into the state or be seized and replaced. What Nazi Germany had for education was pretty good, but it went too far in some respects. With some tweaks or modernization adjustments, I believe that an education system that sufficiently serves the state and nation can be formulated, as opposed to the teaching of liberalism that we have now.

A ministry of propaganda should have some slight input over what gets taught as well. In order to have one message for the whole nation. Everyone should be on the same page with the state deciding the direction.

[Nordengrund]

Depending on the area start school later. Waking up at 6:00 or earlier is not conducive to students being awake for their first classes.

I remember seeing something about some schools in my state starting later in the morning for this exact reason. It seems reasonable to me.

I think the reason for this is because if they started later, they might get caught in work traffic and more likely to be late.

[The New California Republic]

Here is what I have in mind for US education. The one value I want to instill if nothing else, is obedience to the state and corporations.

Ha. No. We aren't turning America into some kind of cyberpunk dystopia.

[Valrifell]

Return to a Classical Liberal education system based around the Trivium in primary school and the Quadrivium in secondary.

In primary school:
1.) Grammar — traditionally Latin and Greek, but early childhood is the age to learn language and be able to properly identify objects and concepts.
2.) Logic — identifying how things work together, or contradict, and being able to run experiments, both physical and mental, to prove or disprove claims.
3.) Rhetoric — being able to accurately explain the findings from the previous two subjects and formulate a compelling argument.

In secondary school:
1.) Arithmetic — quantifying data and representing concepts in number.
2.) Geometry — studying number in space. This enables us to construct models to represent three-dimensional objects
3.) Music — this is number in time. This is a well-documented subject known to improve cognition among students.
4.) Astronomy — this is number in time and space. While originally concerned with the study of the heavens, this is more accurately the study of Physics.

Certain other subjects can be included to produce a well-rounded person: Physical Education (mens sana in corpore sano), Civics, perhaps even Home Economics can be argued for. Jesuit educators have long held the aim of teaching the whole man. Study of Artes Mechanicae can be left to trade schools. Subjects like History, Philosophy, Theology, Economics, Law, and Medicine belong in post-secondary education historically.

The brilliant thing about the Seven Liberal Arts is that they teach the student how to think, over what to think. Teaching to produce good standardised test scores produces good test-takers. Teaching to think critically about the world around the student produces free thinkers.

You know I have to admit, I kind of like this idea.
The number of subjects needs an increase though.

I'm a sucker for the Enlightenment ideal for education so I also would like those things taught with emphasis. Though I don't think it's enough anymore.