Buying Airspace?

[Trumptonium1]

No, the market does. The government simply says if you can't afford to live in a villa in Hollywood between Adele and Beckham, it won't support you in your endeavour because your personal wishes have less value than respecting the rights of taxpayers and other ordinary citizens who don't get the same privilege.



You're saying the rich should go away. That's what 1970s New York was. A complete cesspit devoid of anyone with an income more than slightly above national average. Place literally had blackouts and a bankruptcy.

So why not just make all housing something only the rich can afford it’s more profitable after all

Well sir the whole idea of capitalism is that if it was profitable it would have been done already.

Clearly it isn't.

[Telconi]

Do we know this for sure, however? It isn't like these buildings are being built for no reason. It costs more in maintenance and utilities to keep an existing building vacant. There are apparently wealthy types from overseas or from other places in the US that're able to pay NYC rents or for NYC real estate. NYC is a massive international city that is the US financial center, trading hub, etc. which is flush with cash; so of course it is more expensive to live there.

No one is living in these eyesores. They are for the Uber rich to flaunt their wealth. No one lives in most of them. Real estate should not be a investment to the detriment of everyone else

I must have missed the part where one of these skyscrapers took a jaunty stroll over to the bronx and beat up working class people.

[Neutraligon]

San Lumen, the place those towers stand in are already some of the most expensive real estate in the City. The poor would not be able to buy anything there, no matter what.

There are going up almost everywhere. Pretty soon NyC will be a gated community for only the super rich like San Francisco

From my time in spent new york, they are not going up everywhere, they are going up specifically in the most expensive mart of the most expensive burrow of NYC.

[Ors Might]

How terrible, the rich are building things on land that only the rich could afford anyways. I’m sure this significantly negatively impacts three whole people.

[Ors Might]

So why not just make all housing something only the rich can afford it’s more profitable after all

Well sir the whole idea of capitalism is that if it was profitable it would have been done already.

Clearly it isn't.

I mean, it’s pretty obvious that you can’t make money if all your customers are dead. Letting only the rich live would result in nobody being rich.

[Telconi]

How terrible, the rich are building things on land that only the rich could afford anyways. I’m sure this significantly negatively impacts three whole people.

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

And what will we get in return for that??

Everyone being able to afford living in a city

And how can that "everyone" suddenly have access to a spiritual tooth fairy that grants them big bucks to pay for NY's most expensive areas?

[Ors Might]

And what will we get in return for that??

Everyone being able to afford living in a city

How will getting rid of these towers suddenly make some of the most expensive parts of New York affordable? You do know what being poor or lower middle class means, right?

[Loben]

What if other people don't consider them to be eyesores and actually don't care too much about the way they look?

What will you do then? Tell them your opinion is right and they are wrong?

If I was mayor I’d fix the loophole that allows them to be built, seize the property and tear them down

you still are building on prime real estate.....

[Neutraligon]

How terrible, the rich are building things on land that only the rich could afford anyways. I’m sure this significantly negatively impacts three whole people.

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

While I have no issue with people building their on property they own with their own money...I will admit I find the towers rather aesthetically displeasing and so wish they had not been built as they where.

[Trumptonium1]

And what will we get in return for that??

Everyone being able to afford living in a city

With magic!

I have an idea. Let's follow the Venezuela model of building a huge skyscraper unfinished and let people squat in there. Great stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1p9jlQUW0k

[Ors Might]

How terrible, the rich are building things on land that only the rich could afford anyways. I’m sure this significantly negatively impacts three whole people.

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

Next Lumen will be telling me that building a log cabin is wrong because it uproots poverty stricken trees or some shit.

[Ors Might]

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

While I have no issue with people building their on property they own with their own money...I will admit I find the towers rather aesthetically displeasing and so wish they had not been built as they where.

Eh. Agree to disagree, personally. The architectural complexity of building a huge ass tower will always be pleasing to me, even if I fucking hate big cities.

[Ethel mermania]

The only reason airspace can be bought is the ridiculous zoning laws that make up NYC.

That said I dont like the sliver buildings either, I thought they were not allowed anymore but quite obviously I was wrong (it was changed and changed again). I wouldnt let them build the super tall slivers either, but more for safety reasons than the ugly aesthetics.

[Telconi]

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

While I have no issue with people building their on property they own with their own money...I will admit I find the towers rather aesthetically displeasing and so wish they had not been built as they where.

As do I, functional difference is I'm not a self absorbed asshole enough to I sist on banning people from liki g what I dont like.

[Telconi]

It's a microaggression to build a structure with your own money on your own property that someone somewhere finds aesthetically displeasing.

Next Lumen will be telling me that building a log cabin is wrong because it uproots poverty stricken trees or some shit.

Something something grandchild, something something "what's a tree?"

[US-SSR]

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/feb/05/super-tall-super-skinny-super-expensive-the-pencil-towers-of-new-yorks-super-rich

A new trend in NYC is for uber rich people to buy up literal airspace to build ugly pencil like towers for apartments they will never live in. Its a investment nothing more. There is a housing shortage in the city and officials have the nerve to wonder why? Fix the loophole in the law that allows this and build only affordable housing.

Housing should not be a privilege only the rich can afford. They should fix the law and stop construction of these luxury towers and tear these eyesores down.

Let these rich people build mansions instead how about a novel idea of them not having investments at the expense of everyone to flaunt their wealth?

Your thoughts NSG?

Another argument if one were needed for confiscatory taxes on wealth.

[Trumptonium1]

If I was mayor I’d fix the loophole that allows them to be built, seize the property and tear them down

you still are building on prime real estate.....

Real estate is a social construct

Average Joe has a human right to live in Manhattan. And if there's 25 million of you we'll build 500 Burj Khalifas.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

The only reason airspace can be bought is the ridiculous zoning laws that make up NYC.

That said I dont like the sliver buildings either, I thought they were not allowed anymore but quite obviously I was wrong (it was changed and changed again). I wouldnt let them build the super tall slivers either, but more for safety reasons than the ugly aesthetics.

Designed by Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill, architects of Dubai’s Burj Khalifa...

Surely it'll be sufficiently safe.

[Saiwania]

There are going up almost everywhere. Pretty soon NyC will be a gated community for only the super rich like San Francisco

San Francisco from what I hear, is showing some signs of going down in value. If a place gets too expensive to do business in, it tends to contract back "down to earth" so to speak, as people move out or new people who're even wealthier choose not to move in. What comes up could eventually come down. These things tend to resolve themselves in the long term.

Its just too complicated to try to centrally plan the economy for housing. Beyond certain exceptions. As far as rent control is concerned, it can look good on paper but makes poor economic sense. It flat out doesn't work, only benefiting people who were able to move in, their every incentive is to stay put for as long as is possible to keep their artificially low rent.

[The Two Jerseys]

What if other people don't consider them to be eyesores and actually don't care too much about the way they look?

What will you do then? Tell them your opinion is right and they are wrong?

If I was mayor I’d fix the loophole that allows them to be built, seize the property and tear them down

You'd go bankrupt in five minutes if you tried that.

[Ors Might]

Next Lumen will be telling me that building a log cabin is wrong because it uproots poverty stricken trees or some shit.

Something something grandchild, something something "what's a tree?"

If my grandchild could seriously ask me that, then humanity must have managed to create fully functioning artificial trees.

In which case it’d be so badass that I woukdn’t even mind. I’d look my grand kid in the eyes and tell them that trees were nerd shit.

[Neutraligon]

While I have no issue with people building their on property they own with their own money...I will admit I find the towers rather aesthetically displeasing and so wish they had not been built as they where.

Eh. Agree to disagree, personally. The architectural complexity of building a huge ass tower will always be pleasing to me, even if I fucking hate big cities.

Oh I love thinking of the engineering used, I just don't think the design is pleasing, and I like modern design.

[San Lumen]

If I was mayor I’d fix the loophole that allows them to be built, seize the property and tear them down

you still are building on prime real estate.....

Why should the rich get the build eyesores they will
My ever spend a day in?
Maybe we should stop worrying about the value of land?

[San Lumen]

If I was mayor I’d fix the loophole that allows them to be built, seize the property and tear them down

You'd go bankrupt in five minutes if you tried that.

Why?