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Postby Kyotakavia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:53 pm

I'm going to start combing some of the arguments as I feel like the points are beginning to reach a general point.

1) The issues of the Spanish CNT-FAI stemmed from FAI hardliner control over it which invariably led to tensions and actions committed in the name of a wider organisation. I'm not presenting an Anarchist argument, I myself am a DeLeonist Syndicalist, however the ideal should not be that of simply "Order and Stability" that as a concept requires the strict policy that is the downfall of many Socialist and Communist states. It removes the criticisms of Government that whilst seeming problematic in democracies, are actually a strength and lend to greater stability. Dictatorships fall apart all the time, democracies that failed are thoroughly studied because of the nature of democracies being stable. Democracy in a Socialist or Syndicalist States is key to ensuring survival and for that there has to be acknowledgement that the working class is smart enough to rule directly through a Democratic process. The worry of counter-revolutionaries is reduced because there is no necessity for murder or death the government should be able to push through reforms following ascendancy, through whatever means of course, but it should always revert to democracy to ensure that the Revolutionaries do not begin to fall towards nepotism and greed that results in the states to downfall. The destruction of private property is not a literal destruction but a redistribution towards those that need it, opposition from them is not a concern as you can take it and not need to worry because you will ultimately win over far more people by the land redistribution. The prevention of a so called White Terror comes from reforming the military and enforcing party discipline with Commissars, a Syndicalist state can exist even with more centrist elements providing the foundations and baseline are there, that is the goal, to achieve liberation of workers and people from capitalism, not to imprison them in an alternative.

2) The concept cannot be justified simply by a majoritarian rule, slavery by that account could. If 25% of the population are a minority, or even 49%, the majority could enforce slavery and it be justified because the majority would be richer. That is why the concepts of both the ends justify the means, and the means justify the ends are ludicrous because ultimately, you always need to consider the means and the end together, not simply believe that one will justify the other.

3) A country at war should be united against a foreign enemy, if it is a civil conflict, the government should win with a majority and lose without, regardless, mass persecution of "suspected" enemies is unjustifiable as if you have a majority, you will win through numbers and so murder is unjustified because well, its murder and because it creates more enemies potentially losing the majority support and so it is counter intuitive. Without a majority, the murder of citizens believed to be enemies politically diverts resources necessary else [Counter Intuitive], makes more enemies [Counter Intuitive], causes damage to necessary infrastructure [Counter Productive] and is inhumane [Moral].

4) A dependency on the market stems not from an issue but from a natural policy, humans have and must cooperate and through peaceful cooperation, better ideas can spread, if your ideal is truly that of beneficial Socialism, then the spread of ideas is beneficial through trade. Furthermore, unless you are creating a magical new state you must accept resources can not be found every and so cooperation is necessary. That is why Protectionism does not work as it damages the economy and hurts workers it is meant to protect and the ideals of the revolution can be spread peacefully which is undeniably better.

5) Again however, what counts as hedonism? Examples, not the conceptual understanding of it.

6) Rehabilitation covers education and economic reform is a solution, however banning drugs has been proven to markedly increase their use whilst liberalising laws reduces it and allows the government to better find people who need rehab and help them.

7) People will not as a majority support in the modern world, a concept of Authoritarianism due to the oppressive regimes and the suppression of dissent. You are correct that the most successful societies clash with each other, internally and externally, but it is not a warfare based clashed, it is a political one, and the political discourse creates and develops ideas so that they fit into the world and the nation better! That is why democracy and acceptance of supposed counter-revolutionary elements is positive, because it means the government remains focused on the betterment of the people as they promised rather than being lulled through the peace of a thousand bayonets.

10) Secularism in no way tackles this, secularism is the separation of church and state, not the combatting of religious extremism and so secularism is not a word to be used in this context. Secularism is agreeable as is the challenging of radical ideas that promote violence, but not through violence as that legitimises fears and leads to more, debate is a far more effective tool as is why a democratic system should be the ideal. Not Authoritarian.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:18 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
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I was under the assumption that what OP is proposing would occur in the United States where radical left ideas, especially the kind they are advocating, are not exactly popular and would only serve to further weaken an already weakly supported ideology.




it's easy to convince a large amount of people to the politics that I advocate.Simiply calling it by a differant name will make the policies more appealing.In other countries, the term socialist would be used more often.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Communal concils wrote:it's easy to convince a large amount of people to the politics that I advocate.

Yeah, it'll be easy to convince a large amount of people that banning sex is a good thing(!) :roll:
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:37 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:I was under the assumption that what OP is proposing would occur in the United States where radical left ideas, especially the kind they are advocating, are not exactly popular and would only serve to further weaken an already weakly supported ideology.




it's easy to convince a large amount of people to the politics that I advocate.Simiply calling it by a differant name will make the policies more appealing.In other countries, the term socialist would be used more often.

No, I utterly fail to see how you can convince the American populace how a murderous radical left coup that plans on banning religion, sex, and installing a totalitarian communist dictatorship is a good ideology. You severely overestimate your ideals. You can call your movement the "happy fun times sergeant pepper club" and the vast majority are still not going to support political murder and persecution under a radical leftist regime.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:52 pm

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Communal concils wrote:
I would not care if they were happy or not.What I do care is that a large amount of the population does care.Propaganda is just art with a opinion that urges you to beleive in the art's message.nearly all societies had propaganda.


If happiness doesn't matter maybe we should just all live in maximum security prisons. If you're locked up in solitary confinement, you'll be fed, you'll be safe from people who would hurt you, you'll get medical care when you need it, you'll have shelter; you have the potential to live a full lifespan more or less free from danger and never deprived of what you need to survive.

Would you want that?




It would not be a prison, because people could leave. Isolationism is something that I reject, and people could come back. How would you like if I try to depict your ideals as the worst thing in existence.

You live in a slum, their is no police or state institutions in this place. You have "freedom" of speech, and "Freedom" to be involve in Press. You have the complete liberty to do anything, and you can associate with any people you like. No matter how many thugs beat you up, you still love your "Freedom". You can get the amazing resources of "very very Free Black Market", which gives you excitement form Opium and Pornography. Or you can just go to the "Totally free and Mutual association of workers" , in which every one works and has hope in a popular democracy(which is still not a government).


No Gods(because metaphysical things that control me are bad), and No Masters except (the democracy in which every one votes and agrees to Freedom, and always freedom).
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:58 pm

Communal concils wrote:No Gods(because metaphysical things that control me are bad), and No Masters except (the democracy in which every one votes and agrees to Freedom, and always freedom).

Would you kindly exit the Bathysphere?
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:20 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Communal concils wrote:


it's easy to convince a large amount of people to the politics that I advocate.Simiply calling it by a differant name will make the policies more appealing.In other countries, the term socialist would be used more often.

No, I utterly fail to see how you can convince the American populace how a murderous radical left coup that plans on banning religion, sex, and installing a totalitarian communist dictatorship is a good ideology. You severely overestimate your ideals. You can call your movement the "happy fun times sergeant pepper club" and the vast majority are still not going to support political murder and persecution under a radical leftist regime.


Banning Religion: I never said that. I believe in secularism, Not State Atheism.




Communist:I'm not a Marxist. If I was a Marxist-Leninist, I would believe in a stage of the state from capitalism to Socialism, and then I think that all the long effort would make the state "wither away". I am a socialist, I do share many concepts with communist, but I'm not one. There is no World Revolution, No Dialectical Materialism, and No "Withering away" of the state.



Banning Sex: I don't believe in it's total ban(I'm not a extreme Misanthrope, or Anti-Natalist).I do think it needs to be limited. Things like "Thailand's Hedonism" is something I think should be prevented from happening.


Overestimating My Own Ideals: I don't see my ideals as working everywhere, and I don't believe in utopia in which Everybody thinks the same.I wouldn't detsroy every differant opinion.In Terms of America not willing to vote ideals like mine,This country has proven it's foolishment.There are those that think a Large and expensive wall is enough to control immigration, this is the country used to embrace Jim Crow, This is the Nation that thinks a secret elite controls everything(which is not true, because the elite is very visible).America also has people that are anti-Vaxxers, and there are those that think more than one Gender exist.Though it wouldn't be insane to think that people will vote for anything.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:25 pm

Communal concils wrote:Banning Sex: I don't believe in it's total ban(I'm not a extreme Misanthrope, or Anti-Natalist).I do think it needs to be limited.

You want to ban any sex that is non-reproductive, it is quite frankly bizarre.
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Audioslavia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:48 pm

Korouse wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good talk. Shut the fuck up LARPer.
Korouse wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:There is nothing noteworthy about your views either. You're a typical "America is responsible for all evil" type Far-leftist.

Not interested in your crybaby PC bullshit platitudes. Nothing about what I said wrt FDR or AOC's warhawking + welfare redistribution was wrong. You're welcome to respond with something other than histrionics.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You're responding with histrionics, and then have the audacity to bullshit to me, and act like I'm doing it.

Frankly, I've had it up to here with you communist bastards. You defame and deliberately misrepresent the arguments your opponents present by warping their words around and deliberately missing the point of your arguments. You shout down the United States for atrocities we've committed, accepted, and have attempted to atone for, but you turn the other cheek when modern day tyrants start doing just the same, as long as if they happen to turn a finger to the US. Not only that, your refusal to accept reality as it is and instead conform it to your radical, ideological worldview is infuriating.

You claim the moral high ground, yet that high ground is made of a pile of corpses.



Actually, on further inspection, you should probably be flung into the sun. Here's a *** two week ban for flaming ***.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:00 pm

The emergence of a populist left and a populist right truly means we are on the road towards civil war.
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:35 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:The emergence of a populist left and a populist right truly means we are on the road towards civil war.


We’ll have our own civil war, with blackjack and hookers!

Beat that, left wing!
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Postby Kavagrad » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:37 pm

Sicaris wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:The emergence of a populist left and a populist right truly means we are on the road towards civil war.


We’ll have our own civil war, with blackjack and hookers!

Beat that, left wing!

I mean, we're the ones that want to legalise those hookers, so good luck.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:39 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
We’ll have our own civil war, with blackjack and hookers!

Beat that, left wing!

I mean, we're the ones that want to legalise those hookers, so good luck.

Right-Libertarians also want to legalize them hookers.

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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:39 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:The emergence of a populist left and a populist right truly means we are on the road towards civil war.




I'll wait to see it.
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Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:40 pm

Glad we can all make light of the coming bloodbath.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:41 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:I mean, we're the ones that want to legalise those hookers, so good luck.

Right-Libertarians also want to legalize them hookers.




I'm sure the conservatives will massacre them.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:50 pm

Communal concils wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Right-Libertarians also want to legalize them hookers.




I'm sure the conservatives will massacre them.

Not standard American conservatives. Yes, they're authoritarian but usually not to that extent.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Communal concils wrote:


I'm sure the conservatives will massacre them.

Not standard American conservatives. Yes, they're authoritarian but usually not to that extent.




Then Reactionaries will do it instead.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:14 pm

Communal concils wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:No, I utterly fail to see how you can convince the American populace how a murderous radical left coup that plans on banning religion, sex, and installing a totalitarian communist dictatorship is a good ideology. You severely overestimate your ideals. You can call your movement the "happy fun times sergeant pepper club" and the vast majority are still not going to support political murder and persecution under a radical leftist regime.


Banning Religion: snip

You literally state in your OP on no subtle terms that world revolution is the ideal scenario by calling it a utopia, and then back track and say that is not what you are going for.

Regardless the main point still is that you think the general American public will support your harebrained ideas based on the criteria that you are putting forth and this is the demographic that includes many people hostile to the idea of moderate welfare and calls it communist and rejects it. It. Won't. Work.

An even bigger issue that I find is that you think somehow some 1000 Ish people that may marginally support your ideals are going to be able to violently overthrow the american government and still retain the culturally conservative populations support for all of the wackiness you plan to instate.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:08 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Communal concils wrote:
Banning Religion: snip

You literally state in your OP on no subtle terms that world revolution is the ideal scenario by calling it a utopia, and then back track and say that is not what you are going for.

Regardless the main point still is that you think the general American public will support your harebrained ideas based on the criteria that you are putting forth and this is the demographic that includes many people hostile to the idea of moderate welfare and calls it communist and rejects it. It. Won't. Work.

An even bigger issue that I find is that you think somehow some 1000 Ish people that may marginally support your ideals are going to be able to violently overthrow the american government and still retain the culturally conservative populations support for all of the wackiness you plan to instate.




Utopia is used as a criticism by some people. So I reject World revolution because I think that it's unlikely. Yes there would be rebellions worldwide that support socialism, but I think that it's unlikely that the entire world will be socialist

Also it's possible that people will support welfare, the conservatives voters would be more focus on the protectionism and promise of mass employment regardless of thier view on one issue.I don't think that just 1000 people will agree.The Rust Belt and the urban areas would vote for anyone that offers employment, and the South generally can be convinced with religous and nationalist rhetoric.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:14 pm

Korouse wrote:Good. My argument is firm anti-nationalism. I hate America and all its built on. It is a completely despicable thing that the center-left movement here is screaming more more more in the vein of the New Deal, while AOC votes for NATO funding, because we all know it's going to be another Imperial Redistribution program along civic nationalist lines by way of conquest. That's what WW2 was about for FDR behind all the "fighting for democracy" stuff.

Lol why do you hate America? What kind of country do you not hate?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Korouse wrote:
Puldania wrote:The arguments being made by the OP are borderline incoherent. I don't know why this thread is still going.

We must continue the Maoist struggle sessions until Communal concils rescinds his vapid social-fascism!

Why would a Maoist struggle against Communal Council's ideology? Maoism and Communal Councilsism seem pretty much the same in practice. Except communal councils at least allows religion.
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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:26 pm

Korouse wrote:
Puldania wrote:The arguments being made by the OP are borderline incoherent. I don't know why this thread is still going.

We must continue the Maoist struggle sessions until Communal concils rescinds his vapid social-fascism!



It is ironic that you call me a fascist, when some of the "Suppose" Leftist think that you are a fascist! We could agree on many things, but a fascist has more idealism than I would. I would not consider you a fascist, so maybe we could come to a compromise.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Communal concils » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:32 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Korouse wrote:We must continue the Maoist struggle sessions until Communal concils rescinds his vapid social-fascism!

Why would a Maoist struggle against Communal Council's ideology? Maoism and Communal Councilsism seem pretty much the same in practice. Except communal councils at least allows religion.




Well Maoism in practice allowed for mob rule, China almost went into civil war again because his followers were competing with each other. Mao eventually had to crack down on his followers to bring back order.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:29 pm

While I do believe the Socialist leftist movement has been crippled several by Neo Liberal Leftists and Upper Middle Class progressive politics, I don't really think this is the solution.

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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -Herman Goering
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War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; -William Tecumseh Sherman

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