Aussandries wrote:The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Also, everyone, sorry for my off and on participation in this thread, but I think something needs to be said:
Why believe in God?
Aside from the fact there is literally no evidence apart from a book and a bunch of writings which only self-reference themselves, Occam's Razor just shaves this off:
"So uhhh...the universe has a beginning, right? So what created it?"
"There's a magic omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnipresent man outside the universe, all-powerful, all-seeing and all-hearing."
"Isn't there a possibility in which the universe creates itself through scientific processes and the big cru-"
"MAGIC BEING!"
you realise that there are sources in Roman, Greek, Jewish and Egyptian documents about Jesus and His miracles, right? There are first hand accounts inside them, ask any ancient historian. Why would the Romans and Jews especially lie? They had Him killed for goodness sake.
"Plus, the universe has a beginning, right? So what created it?"
"Giant explosion creating something from nothing!"
"Wait, isn't that against the laws of phys-"
"GIANT EXPLOSION!"
They would 'lie' because they wouldn't understand that the miracles weren't actually divine/had a scientific basis to it.
The big bang wasn't an explosion.
Aussandries wrote:Heraswed wrote:
Great strawman, we more or less understand everything that happened up to about 1 femtosecond after the big-bang. We don't know exactly what caused it. Some (like me) believe in the infinite expansion and contraction of the universe, (which suffers from the same infinite regress as the concept of a creator god). Other research suggests that in mass-less environments particles can be spontaneously generated from energy, with slight favour given to regular matter as opposed to anti-matter. Neither of these is confirmed and we can only really guess at this point.
exactly - "we can only guess". Then we shouldn't be arguing over who's guess is correct with absolutely no way of proving either. People should be entitled to their own opinions or beliefs.
There are two big differences. Firstly, the guesses made by science tend to have scientific evidence in favour. Second, unless we can prove that theory or the theory has the most evidence behind it, we don't take it as fact. the same doesn't happen with God as a general rule.
Aussandries wrote:Heraswed wrote:
The difference is that the majority of guesses that scientists make are (while not 100% proven), backed by some form of science. Whereas the claims of religion have no such basis.
I mean, we literally just agreed up there /\ that we have NO PROOF for the causation of the Big Bang.... so what were you saying? Wait, energy can be created from nothing? Some scientific proof... Hmmm... *casually accidently disproves a fundamental law of physics through backing up an unknown creation of energy with "science"*.
Which, btw, you are yet to provide evidenced for your so-called "scientific evidence". Care to share it with us?
They are just theories. Acting like they are the scientific consensus is disingenuous.
And, depending on what you mean by
NO PROOF for the causation of the Big Bang...., there is. There is proof that the big bang happened (we can detect leftover cosmic radiation from the big bang). If you're talking about proof for the theories of the cause of the big bang, there is no proof. Just like belief in God!
Aussandries wrote:Mystic Warriors wrote:I dont believe because there is no evidence of a god.
buddy - u may want to research your arguments before you post them on this message board - we have previously discussed multiple pieces of evidence for the potential existence of God. Have a read through and get back to us
There is no evidence. If there was, you'd be able to provide us some. Considering you refusing to do so - instead telling us to read back in the thread (where arguments in favour of God were debunked, not proved with evidence) - you have none.
Provost 14 wrote:raised believing, most believable explanation for surviving a 1-2-3 combo of pneumonia, bacterial meningitis, and endocarditis is god answering my parents prayers.
Did you have medical treatment?